Bullies Prey on Children with Autism
On top of that, many kids with HFA/AS and/or ADHD do things that draw negative attention to them. So it is very difficult for them to float under the radar. It seems to amplify the bully target they are walking around with on their back.
I think it's important here to point out that whatever autistic or ADHD children do, that they're not making anyone bully them. Bullying is a choice, it's not a thing that anyone is forced to do (and that convoluted monkey explanation later in the thread is rubbish too).
Thing is, we teach children how to treat other people not just by telling them but by example. Children need to be taught to not be violent, to not bully, to not harass. To not do these things.
I've seen posters here accept the above notion to the point of actually taking responsibility for having been bullied.
Never mind the (relatively few) posters who actually were bullies and make excuses for it.
There are people who pretty much pick on Autistic kids by instinct. They have some kind of Autdar, not really. They just see someone different, thats strike one. And if they're shy, oops strike two. And they are vulnerable? Strike three.
For people with a bully mentality, some people are just prizes too hard to resist.
Put yourself in their shoes (I'm not asking you too try to understand and accept them, just consider how they see it.): On whom will you pick? The popular jock who can pummel you? Or the shy introverted kid who acts so different? Those bullies pick on the socially outcasted because they are less likely to fight back, and also because, not being very outgoing, these kids might not have anyone who would defend them.
It's sickening. We think humanity is so involved, but lets take away the jewelry, fancy clothes, buildings, and technology. And what do you see?
Primitive Warfare.
Society is too ashamed to admit it. But society hasn't evolved enough to outgrow it. And adolescents haven't learned enough to try and hide their caveman social reasoning.
It sucks.
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There are people who pretty much pick on Autistic kids by instinct. They have some kind of Autdar, not really. They just see someone different, thats strike one. And if they're shy, oops strike two. And they are vulnerable? Strike three.
For people with a bully mentality, some people are just prizes too hard to resist.
Put yourself in their shoes (I'm not asking you too try to understand and accept them, just consider how they see it.): On whom will you pick? The popular jock who can pummel you? Or the shy introverted kid who acts so different? Those bullies pick on the socially outcasted because they are less likely to fight back, and also because, not being very outgoing, these kids might not have anyone who would defend them.
It's sickening. We think humanity is so involved, but lets take away the jewelry, fancy clothes, buildings, and technology. And what do you see?
Primitive Warfare.
Society is too ashamed to admit it. But society hasn't evolved enough to outgrow it. And adolescents haven't learned enough to try and hide their caveman social reasoning.
It sucks.
You are still making excuses for their behavior or finding ways to make their targets responsible for being bullied. It's not innate human nature to bully people. It's something that is taught, and not bullying can be taught. And taking a proactive stance on bullying that doesn't blame the victims or let the bullying happen needs to happen.
Or I guess we could all sit around claiming that it's innate human nature to harass people for being different. Because excuses are so much easier than action.
On top of that, many kids with HFA/AS and/or ADHD do things that draw negative attention to them. So it is very difficult for them to float under the radar. It seems to amplify the bully target they are walking around with on their back.
I think it's important here to point out that whatever autistic or ADHD children do, that they're not making anyone bully them. Bullying is a choice, it's not a thing that anyone is forced to do (and that convoluted monkey explanation later in the thread is rubbish too).
Thing is, we teach children how to treat other people not just by telling them but by example. Children need to be taught to not be violent, to not bully, to not harass. To not do these things.
I've seen posters here accept the above notion to the point of actually taking responsibility for having been bullied.
Never mind the (relatively few) posters who actually were bullies and make excuses for it.
Bullies deserve everything they get.
One of my bullies when I was a child had this happen and I was really happy.
I was on a swing on my own in a playground this kid was outside the playground and a van came around the corner and bang it hit his head full force of the side the sound was really load.
The little s**t was out cold.
The van driver in a panic jumped out and picked him up and ran towards a house.
I was really really happy and yes I did understand that he might be dead

That was karma and I embrace my nasty evil side.
As you can see being bullied has not left me with any anger issues

There are people who pretty much pick on Autistic kids by instinct. They have some kind of Autdar, not really. They just see someone different, thats strike one. And if they're shy, oops strike two. And they are vulnerable? Strike three.
For people with a bully mentality, some people are just prizes too hard to resist.
Put yourself in their shoes (I'm not asking you too try to understand and accept them, just consider how they see it.): On whom will you pick? The popular jock who can pummel you? Or the shy introverted kid who acts so different? Those bullies pick on the socially outcasted because they are less likely to fight back, and also because, not being very outgoing, these kids might not have anyone who would defend them.
It's sickening. We think humanity is so involved, but lets take away the jewelry, fancy clothes, buildings, and technology. And what do you see?
Primitive Warfare.
Society is too ashamed to admit it. But society hasn't evolved enough to outgrow it. And adolescents haven't learned enough to try and hide their caveman social reasoning.
It sucks.
You are still making excuses for their behavior or finding ways to make their targets responsible for being bullied. It's not innate human nature to bully people. It's something that is taught, and not bullying can be taught. And taking a proactive stance on bullying that doesn't blame the victims or let the bullying happen needs to happen.
Or I guess we could all sit around claiming that it's innate human nature to harass people for being different. Because excuses are so much easier than action.
It's not the victims fault for being bullied, it's the bully's fault for embracing an outdated mentality of "harm or be harmed".
But current anti-bullying rules aren't working, that much you cannot deny. What happens is: a kid is bullied constantly, and no one sticks up for them or does anything. When/If they decide to stick up for themself, they usually are themselves punished for violating the anti-bullying rules.
Or what worse is that the three worse bullies in Junior High were MASTER manipulators and could probably convince you I was actually a CIA agent here on WP. They are all commission salespeople (what a surprise, I know) and were able to convince the teachers that *I* was the bully. Given the huge size advantage I had they knew how to exploit that and play the victim and that made justice impossible.
It sucks.
The older I get the more I realize we are barely removed from the caves. To quote Calvin and Hobbes (the greatest piece of literature of the modern era) "The surest sign that intelligent life exists elsewhere in the universe is that it has never tried to contact us."
Hi League_Girl,
What you wrote makes a lot of sense.
When I was a child the bullying I received from other kids was really bad.
Physical (being punched), Emotional (being called names & intimidated).
One incident that always sticks is my mind is when the caretaker had left the key in his store-cupboard door. A group of boys pushed me in, and then locked the door. They must have left the key in because the caretaker unlocked the door & was really angry for me being in there. He was annoyed at me for being in his cupboard, and no-one cared about the fact that I'd been locked in there for a long time (and missed my lessons because of being in the cupboard).
When I was 15 & my Dad strangled me, it was very difficult for the Police to know which bruises he had done & which had been done by being punched by other boys at school. Thankfully I had the sense to set my tape-recorder in my bedroom to record the violence at home. My Dad walked in my room with a gun & put it to my head, and said all sorts of horrible things. It was ALL on tape. I gave the tape to the Social Services, & was then taken away to foster parents for my own safety.
I'm over it, and have forgiven my Father, but I do struggle with forgiving the bullys when I was at school.
Education is important, and the constant abuse by other boys prevented me from obtaining the qualifications that I should have. I have since tried to make up for it as best I can.
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We, the people on the Autistic Spectrum have a choice.
We can either try to "fit in" with the rest of society, or we can be so egocentric that we can't be bothered.
I choose the actor. I observe NT's. I listen to their socializing. I practice it, so in social situations I can just emulate/mimic what is expected.
It isn't natural for me, but it enables me to "fit in".
It is VERY tiring and draining, but at least we can appear like them even though it is an act. Like being on the stage.
They can't see it is emulation, and so we are accepted.
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It's not the victims fault for being bullied, it's the bully's fault for embracing an outdated mentality of "harm or be harmed".
But current anti-bullying rules aren't working, that much you cannot deny. What happens is: a kid is bullied constantly, and no one sticks up for them or does anything. When/If they decide to stick up for themself, they usually are themselves punished for violating the anti-bullying rules.
One problem is that, as always, adults tolerate (and sometimes accept, encourage, and even participate in) the bullying. Making rules against it doesn't help when the people responsible for enforcing the rules allow it to happen.
It's not the victims fault for being bullied, it's the bully's fault for embracing an outdated mentality of "harm or be harmed".
But current anti-bullying rules aren't working, that much you cannot deny. What happens is: a kid is bullied constantly, and no one sticks up for them or does anything. When/If they decide to stick up for themself, they usually are themselves punished for violating the anti-bullying rules.
One problem is that, as always, adults tolerate (and sometimes accept, encourage, and even participate in) the bullying. Making rules against it doesn't help when the people responsible for enforcing the rules allow it to happen.
And that makes me think - Why the hell is it worth living in this world. When most people are basically stupid f**kers, and you're supposed to be one too if you want to fit in and be considered mentally healthy.
Life doesn't make that much sense in this world when pack mentality is not in your blood.
It's not the victims fault for being bullied, it's the bully's fault for embracing an outdated mentality of "harm or be harmed".
But current anti-bullying rules aren't working, that much you cannot deny. What happens is: a kid is bullied constantly, and no one sticks up for them or does anything. When/If they decide to stick up for themself, they usually are themselves punished for violating the anti-bullying rules.
One problem is that, as always, adults tolerate (and sometimes accept, encourage, and even participate in) the bullying. Making rules against it doesn't help when the people responsible for enforcing the rules allow it to happen.
Example: My school's system decided to stop kids from smoking in the bathroom. Now at each bathroom a teacher is stationed outside, and to get in a student needs to bring a pass and sign in with their ID card that logs them in and out.
HOWEVER, there is still smoking.
I just walk by the bathrooms and feel sick to my stomach, and the teacher is right there. I know if I can smell it just by walking by, they can smell it the whole period.
when I was at school the bullies fell into two categories
1. the ones that would pick on you for being different.
2. The ones that would just pick on you for the hell of it (if you didn't have any noticeable trait that they could target, they would just make something up).
Whenever I complained to adults (like you are told to), I would just get sympathy, as in statements like
"they are just jealous" etc
I don't want sympathy goddammit, just make it stop!! !
I found that I had to complain to teachers several times before they did anything, and when they did do something, it wasn't effective.
I mainly had problems in primary school. I had a few people pick on me in high school but then it stopped because they didn't show up anymore.
was told the main bully got in trouble with the law. (I got no details what so ever but I don't care).
There are people who pretty much pick on Autistic kids by instinct. They have some kind of Autdar, not really.
I've often thought about that... because, the weird thing i that I was picked on everywhere I went and no matter what I do. Like, it's just unavoidable.
I was watching the Simpsons episode "Bye Bye Nerdie" where it is said that nerds scent attract bullies, like it's almost chemical, I thought maybe there is a bit of truth in that.

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