Asperger's and high intelligence-- correlation or not?

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10 Sep 2016, 1:41 pm

Probably said, but:

When the disorder by definition means an average or higher IQ, you're going to have weight to the higher end as you're removing one aspect from the equation.

On average, I recall the overall IQ of people with AS is still around average to a little higher, though.

The main difference tends to be a higher verbal IQ and a lower spatial one (the opposite to what you find in HFA); this has been contested, however, but you still see it repeated.



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11 Sep 2016, 6:46 am

There is no correlation save for savant cases or individual talents.
Many mental tasks that people with autism struggle with are:
Multi-tasking
Seeing the bigger picture
Problem solving
Short term memory
Generating novel idea
Controlling ones mood
Understanding cause and effect
Generalization (carrying one situation over to the next)
Planning ahead
Organizing
Executive function tasks
Recognizing information from context
Seeing things from another angle (such as recognizing small talk is not just some stupid NT thing but has an evolutionary basis and that their brains release pleasure chemicals when they do this, talk about sour grapes!)
Controlling emotions
Naivety
Self-awareness
Coordination

Just because someone is able to memorize a ton of information while also having a large vocabulary doesn't equal intelligence, I mean real intelligence: smarts, cleverness, native wit, intuition, initiative, critical thinking, deduction, induction! Not memorizing a ton of trivia about stuff.

Sooner we admit this, the sooner we can find a way someday to deal with this. Until then, try to ponder this y'all.


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11 Sep 2016, 12:40 pm

We are not clones; we all have our own unique mixture of strengths, abilities and challenges. To suggest we are all challenged in exactly the same way is as unrealistic as saying we all share the same talents. We don't. Depicting ASD people as nothing more than a set of negative symptoms and deficits is not being "realistic"; it is reinforcing a stereotype which, when promoted without balance, is unnecessarily harmful, hurtful and false.



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12 Sep 2016, 4:17 am

B19 wrote:
We are not clones; we all have our own unique mixture of strengths, abilities and challenges. To suggest we are all challenged in exactly the same way is as unrealistic as saying we all share the same talents. We don't. Depicting ASD people as nothing more than a set of negative symptoms and deficits is not being "realistic"; it is reinforcing a stereotype which, when promoted without balance, is unnecessarily harmful, hurtful and false.


Yes we have our strengths along with weaknsses, but a strength likes memorizing bookloads of trivia, being able to detect church bell ringing patterns, being able to rapidly do a gigantic number of basic repetitive math equations, or savant skills are not as important to me as street smarts, critical thinking, understanding how things interact on a deep level, recognizing the bigger picture, complex problem solving, or James Bond wit. So maybe its our different view, I prefer certain kinds of strength and would prefer to be a mastermind while you prefer other kinds of strengths..


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12 Sep 2016, 4:51 am

i am smart enough to find the answers to most questions i pose to myself, but i am not smart enough to work out all of them



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12 Sep 2016, 5:03 am

johnnyh wrote:
B19 wrote:
We are not clones; we all have our own unique mixture of strengths, abilities and challenges. To suggest we are all challenged in exactly the same way is as unrealistic as saying we all share the same talents. We don't. Depicting ASD people as nothing more than a set of negative symptoms and deficits is not being "realistic"; it is reinforcing a stereotype which, when promoted without balance, is unnecessarily harmful, hurtful and false.


Yes we have our strengths along with weaknsses, but a strength likes memorizing bookloads of trivia, being able to detect church bell ringing patterns, being able to rapidly do a gigantic number of basic repetitive math equations, or savant skills are not as important to me as street smarts, critical thinking, understanding how things interact on a deep level, recognizing the bigger picture, complex problem solving, or James Bond wit. So maybe its our different view, I prefer certain kinds of strength and would prefer to be a mastermind while you prefer other kinds of strengths..


...

You seem to assume a preconceptive ability to know my own particular strengths and preferences. That assumption may be presumptuous on your part. One of the subjects I taught at university was critical thinking.



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12 Sep 2016, 5:11 am

B19 wrote:
One of the subjects I taught at university was critical thinking.

people who's thinking is in a critical condition are doomed to delusion.



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12 Sep 2016, 5:13 am

Didn't you mean "whose" thinking?

Which part do you find delusional:
http://health.tki.org.nz/Key-collection ... l-thinking



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12 Sep 2016, 5:29 am

B19 wrote:
Didn't you mean "whose" thinking?

i suppose i did. thanks for the grammar correction, but considering you knew exactly what i meant before suggesting a better word, then i am satisfied i communicated efficiently enough to convey the message without you having to spend energy uselessly in connection with refining a key word of my sentence.



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12 Sep 2016, 5:34 am

example of critical thinking..."this sounds like s**t. i am not going to spend more energy listening to any more of it"

uncritical thinking is where everyone is just at the mercy of social tides of expectation, and they think in a very homogenized way.

i can work out what i want to know, but the day i want to know something that is beyond my capacity to work out is the day i will freak out and worry.

i am glad that my questions about life are so simple.

i can not connect with anyone else in terms of reasoning.



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12 Sep 2016, 6:03 am

b9 wrote:
B19 wrote:
One of the subjects I taught at university was critical thinking.

people who's thinking is in a critical condition are doomed to delusion.

Haha ... A lot of people's thinking is in critical condition.



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12 Sep 2016, 9:55 am

Does Elon Musk have autism? I would rather be the head of a gigantic company like him than some autistic person who grew up obsessed with trains and being herded around to places where I can do train related repetitive work. People here seem to revel in being quirky, soft, and innocent looking. If I had to choose between being a small scale inventor and neurodiversity advocate like Temple Grandin or being the head of a big company and a big player in the world's events....well its obvious. Where are all the big shots with aspergers? There are barely any outside of neurodiversity groups (which I definitely want no part of).


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12 Sep 2016, 11:10 am

There are a lot of depressed CEO's and happy productive people working repetitive jobs people look down upon. That more people do not want to work at those "menial" jobs is a reason the quality of so many things are deteriorating.

It is all about what makes the individual happy. In this era of diversity taken to extremes the reality that those people with autism associated interests must conform to what they like and do worst is mind boggling.


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12 Sep 2016, 5:49 pm

People always say I'm smart, but I know better.



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12 Sep 2016, 5:51 pm

If you were raised by Wookies, you definitely are smart.



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12 Sep 2016, 6:16 pm

kraftiekortie wrote:
If you were raised by Wookies, you definitely are smart.

Outa' this world smart? :D