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15 Jan 2016, 8:06 pm

When I act emotionally mature (i.e., controlling my anger, speaking softly and with even tones, abstaining from profanity, et cetera), people get offended and call me dull, boring, and stupid.

When I'm emotionally expressive (i.e., laughing, crying, shouting, swearing, et cetera), people get offended and call me childish, annoying, and unstable.

When I express no emotions at all (i.e., being factual, reasonable, logical, et cetera), people get offended and call me closed-minded, contentious, and negative.

There is no way to manage one's emotions without someone taking offense and resorting to name-calling.



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15 Jan 2016, 10:27 pm

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When people have Aspergers, do they have young minds? I'm talking about being younger than your real age.


I DEFINITELY do!


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16 Jan 2016, 3:41 am

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There is a tendency for people with autism to look somewhat younger than their chronological age--but that's far from universal.
The ones that do probably, pardon me for saying this, probably have some other disorder in addition to their autism.

Aaaahr? Wouldn´t you think, that this is normal variations, like so many other things?


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16 Jan 2016, 3:56 am

I've also got Peter Pan syndrome.


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16 Jan 2016, 5:17 am

What is a Young mind?
Maybe unconditioned (yet) by social rules, creativity, innocence, living more in "now", ...other things?

I think yes, i'm a bit all of this, and also look much younger than my age :o)



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16 Jan 2016, 6:52 am

A "young mind" is probably a mind still inquisitive and interested in life outside the daily hamsterwheel = still alive!


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16 Jan 2016, 7:09 am

Jensen wrote:
A "young mind" is probably a mind still inquisitive and interested in life outside the daily hamsterwheel = still alive!


You are true, children are very curious, ask lots of questions.

I'm a very curious "hamster". :wink:
("curious" in both meanings, a bit strange and wanting to know everything :))



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16 Jan 2016, 7:12 am

I don't think I've ever had a young mind. I act like a kid, but I don't think I've ever had that 'young mind' that people refer to. I've always felt older than I was. But, then again, I always hung around people older than myself. I do have that intense curiosity always. But, just always felt old.


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16 Jan 2016, 8:34 am

I often feel "younger" than sixteen, saying odd things and lacking in common sense.

I think my friends try to "protect" me from a lot of stuff. Like drugs and alcohol, which they do.



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16 Jan 2016, 9:06 am

Feyokien wrote:
skibum wrote:
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No

The idea of set behavior for a given age is just stereotypical nonsense. We all learn things at our own pace based on when we encounter life enriching scenarios. See the young man sittin' in the old man's bar, waitin' for his turn to die. :skull:
Perhaps, but they have found actual physiological differences in the brain which show that the Autistic brain is actually emotionally younger than its NT counterpart.


Somehow I doubt that, links?
I posted it on a thread a couple of years ago. I will have to see if I can find it again.


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16 Jan 2016, 9:11 am

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I'd like to see that study/report, as I don't recall hearing about that.


I'd like to know what magical instrument they have that can read "emotional age" in the human brain and what set of units it's in.
It was a study done a very long time ago, in the 70's. They looked at autopsied Autistic brains side by side with Nuerotypical Autopsied brains and found that in every single case the brains of the Autistic people had Limbic systems with smaller neurons than NT Limbic systems and too many neurons making them physiologically younger than their NT counterparts. And since the Limbic system is the emotional control center for the brain, it makes the brain emotionally younger than its NT counterpart.

Marybird, I think the article you posted talks about the study I linked below. Thank you for posting that article. It's a good one.

Here is a link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2o6KYIw2yww


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16 Jan 2016, 9:22 am

Fnord wrote:
When I act emotionally mature (i.e., controlling my anger, speaking softly and with even tones, abstaining from profanity, et cetera), people get offended and call me dull, boring, and stupid.

When I'm emotionally expressive (i.e., laughing, crying, shouting, swearing, et cetera), people get offended and call me childish, annoying, and unstable.

When I express no emotions at all (i.e., being factual, reasonable, logical, et cetera), people get offended and call me closed-minded, contentious, and negative.

There is no way to manage one's emotions without someone taking offense and resorting to name-calling.

Damned if you do, damned if you don't. Sucks royally.


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16 Jan 2016, 9:39 am

There are exceptions to every rule, but generally, I would say yes. Most of the people I know who have Asperger's are a little younger, both physically and mentally. As for me, people are always surprised when I tell them that I'm twenty years old; they always say I look younger. I also have more energy than most people my age; I have child-like exuberance.



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16 Jan 2016, 9:47 am

skibum wrote:
Fnord wrote:
When I act emotionally mature (i.e., controlling my anger, speaking softly and with even tones, abstaining from profanity, et cetera), people get offended and call me dull, boring, and stupid.

When I'm emotionally expressive (i.e., laughing, crying, shouting, swearing, et cetera), people get offended and call me childish, annoying, and unstable.

When I express no emotions at all (i.e., being factual, reasonable, logical, et cetera), people get offended and call me closed-minded, contentious, and negative.

There is no way to manage one's emotions without someone taking offense and resorting to name-calling.

Damned if you do, damned if you don't. Sucks royally.
For me, I have round that my contextual reactions do not match up many times. Too serious when I should be lighter about it. Lighthearted when seriousness is required. Those type of things.
As for the issue of assigning an 'an appropriate age development' system, it would be done by statistical analysis. With enough of a sample, you can get a sense of major milestones of achievements.

If it didn't work they would not be able to diagnose many developmental issues.

And, yes, I am just as leery about statistics, if not more so than the average person.


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16 Jan 2016, 10:08 am

I don't find statistics, within a social science context, to be really all that useful. They can serve to confirm anecdotal impressions. They are useful for documented trends.....but are meaningless within an individual-person context.

Statistics such as "25 percent of people with Asperger's will never have a relationship" are MEANINGLESS from a personal standpoint.

Because people look into statistics too much, and adhere by these results, they tend to feel, since they are at present dateless. that they are "one of the 25 percent"--so they give up, and acquire a cynical ideology about dating, the opposite sex, etc.

I, myself, only look at statistics to see trends, tendencies, rather than actualities.



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16 Jan 2016, 10:13 am

kraftiekortie wrote:
I don't find statistics, within a social science context, to be really all that useful. They can serve to confirm anecdotal impressions.

Statistics such as "25 percent of people with Asperger's will never have a relationship" are MEANINGLESS from a personal standpoint.

Because people look into statistics too much, they tend to feel that they are "one of the 25 percent"--so they give up, and acquire a cynical ideology about dating, the opposite sex, etc.

That part I can agree with and it's why statistics are such a problem. But, if you were to measure 12,000 individuals for responses to certain things, you would be able to find a baseline. But, the extrapolation of information such as your example is really stretching things. I believe that's where the numbers end and the biases begin.

And the biases are in constant flux. Look at how different we view gender and gender roles (Societal roles vs. Biological science) these days compared to when Kraftie and I were children. It's even being made fun of in the Progressive commercials with the fake B/W gameshow.

What was considered appropriate at any time period will be replaced with newer views or even a resurgence of old. But it will never be the same.


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