Self diagnosed people here don't have aspergers

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Yeah I'm defensive when you use a subject line like "Self diagnosed people here don't have aspergers" thats illogical and only serves to induce pain in the self diagnosed.

I guess people who do not see a dermatologist can not have a sun burn?

Well there's alot to take into consideration here.
Yes, you are correct that there are some pretenders here. Some group of people who are immature who I guess got tired of emo and decided autism was the new emo. But a diagnosis has little to do with this. Some of the most Aspergian people on here aren't even diagnosed, and this is coming from me, a man who HAS been diagnosed.
Also, sometimes counselors are too eager to throw a label on someone so they can sell them pills. This is often how shrinks and pharmecuetical companies make money. They'll often highly exagerate "symptoms" just to throw a label on them.
But you also have to consider that autism is a spectrum condition (notice I didn't call it a disorder). Some may be more autistic than others, and functioning level doesn't determine how autistic someone is neccessarily. Many aspies grow up in a NT society and are taught NT methods of thinking, being taught to emulate NT behavior, taking in NT socio-psychological conventions that can chain down their thought proccesses, things like religion, political correctness, and even culture, most of which are highly flawed and subject to be used as vessels for claiming tribalistic rivalries. However, aspergian culture is an anti-cultural culture, which means lack of social conventions, which leaves more possibilities open to consider in one's thoughts and behaviors.
Autism is only a disorder for low functioning people. On the high functioning end we have a gift, but some will never realise their gift, and will continue down the road of using NT labels to define everything about them, they way they think, act, etc. When your brain gave up the social rituals, it had a trade off in the intellectual department. Therefore, it evens out, so we're not disabled.

Furthermore and to all who may not really (whatever that means in this case) be aspies, but are on some level sufficiently near AS as to be able to find help and peace here I say loudly:

WELCOME TO WP ALL PSUEDOASPIES!

I think the subject line was purposely crafted to make people defensive and upset.

kfa91, do you really beleive what you are saying or are you just trying to provoke a reaction?

Hmm

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To the OP: You sure assume a lot for not being in peoples' heads. Might want to examine that.

Er. Getting high helps you figure stuff out? If this is an example, you might not want to do that anymore.

Without wanting to sound rude, the above statement is one of the funniest I've heard for a long time.

For a start certainly in the UK, medical doctors do not have a PhD - it is a completely different sort of doctrate. Medical doctors are called that as a title of respect.

I've worked in universities for 12 years and some of the least reliable people I've come across are the ones with PhDs. A lot of them have a bare minimum of knowledge outside of their extremely narrow fields, and many of them have the barest ability to function outside of the academic world. They gain a PhD through being able to construct and defend a hypothesis - it doesn't mean that their theory is right. Some of the stuff that gets students PhDs in my department is at the best laughable and at the worst an insult to academia - and this is in one of the highest ranked departments in the country (and I'm sure it's exactly the same in other countries as well).

Let's face it, even Isaac Newton's hypotheses were "wrong" and were amply "disproved" by Einstein's theories. Yet they worked for the information he had to hand whilst he constructed the theory. Einstein is now being proved "wrong" as physics progresses.

So basically there ARE no right or wrong answers, only best fit and often subjective ideas.

The last line should read 'Asperger's is such a complicated disorder that only a
person with Asperger's will recognise it in themself,after doing instense research
with or without a doctor's help'
The only cases where self-diagnosis isn't possible are in children or adults with
other learning disabilities

Medical doctors don't have a PhD in the US, either. They have an MD. This includes psychiatrists, who are allowed to prescribe medication. Psychologists, who have a PhD rather than an MD, are not allowed to prescribe medication because they don't have a medical degree.

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I know i am aspie because i watched 'Mozart & The Whale' and i can really identify with the main character.
I also like to eat cheese sandwich for lunch everyday, except for Sunday when i have Tuna. I have heard this is a trait and many people here have it too.

Yeah, learning disorders can be directly tested for quite easily, although of course subjective experience does count for something, as that is usually what brings the person in in the first place. I didn't consider myself to actually have NLD, although I'd suspected it for a while, until I was officially diagnosed after hours of testing. But yeah, AS is different. It's way more subjective and can't be tested for directly.

Actually is it a brain disorder or difference and no I do not agree that a PhD has any business diagnosing it. They can't look at your brain and say for certain. They are not an MD. It's well known that they don't even agree with each other and they've written many articles and books about how often they misdiagnose. They don't even think they are a better fit to point it out. Their "diagnosis" is a subjective observation of the subject at best and of a subject's memories at worst. There is nothing valid in that. It is, in fact, hack science.

However, until it's turned over to Neurology where it belongs and left there so they can actually look at the brain and come up with a way to know for certain, this is all some people are left with in order to get the things they need. So even though that may not be enough for me and I certainly wouldn't waste my money on it (I earn it so I spend it where and how I choose), I am ALL for others getting a diagnosis any way that they can if they feel they need it. I also don't believe they are lying just because I believe the whole diagnosis process is flawed. My feeling is that if they think they are, they probably are because no one would want this unless they have other problems. If they have other problems, I'd rather they come here than to get rejected as so many of us were for most of our lives. They certainly don't need another crowd to make them feel excluded and those who think or believe they know they are Aspies should be the first ones to understand that.

I don't think it is subjective.
There are things which are obvious.
If you have them, then you can call yourself AS.
If you don't, then you are not.
Not rocket science is it?

edit: There maybe some borderline 'cases' which are not so obvious.
These are where you will find the impostors.
These people need to develop full aspergers or start spamming elsewhere.

Just because a doctor has a PhD, it doesn't mean they are qualified to diagnose Asperger's. I didn't think I had AS when I first heard of it, but then I was not knowledgeable in the subject. I only knew what was stereotypical. Now that I've done more research on it, I've since changed my mind and AS fits me well. I explains a lot about me from back in my childhood too.

What's the worst it could do? What's the problem? There is a guy at martial art that said he thinks he is AS. I think he is more SA, but he maybe be.