Are most Autistic people consider themselves as nihilistic?

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03 Jan 2018, 7:34 pm

When I try to think logically about the meaning of life and the purpose of life and so forth, it is fairly easy to come to a nihilistic view point. And I have spent some considerable time there. But it was unpleasant. I would prefer to maintain the outlook that my life has some small meaning, even if only doing something to make another person smile.

Currently, I see it as a sort of Pascal's Wager type of situation. The "price" of believing that life is worthwhile is small and the benefits are huge. By seeing life and others as good, looking for ways to improve the lives of others, making the world a better place (as corny as these can sound) actually results in a good deal of happiness for me and for others. It's a better bet. :D

That said, life is a journey with many stop overs and detours and who knows what understandings may be revealed in the future? Maybe squirrels!


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03 Jan 2018, 7:38 pm

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My working assumption is that existence is waaaaaayyy beyond human comprehension. In trying to work it all out (which is natural for our inquisitive minds) we always seem to hit upon an empty void where we run out of answers and it all points to pointlessness and futility. This is painful and anxiety inducing to all - AS, NTs, whatever (except squirels, who seem endlessly optimitic about it all). Manufactured answers get provided here to bring hope, including religion (or Star Wars, whatever your fancy). And if it brings comfort to people and allows them to find meaning and continue in life, so be it, good on them.



Yes, me too for this^^^

I feel like all religions + science + anyone's individual insights combined can't explain the entirety of existence. I don't think I could ever believe in one idea of a purpose for it all, but I do really enjoy anytime I learn about some kind of interconnectedness, be it sub atomic, universal, psychological, energetic, emotional, or anything in between.



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04 Jan 2018, 11:48 am

You find out how cooperative people are when you are down on your luck. Very few are willing to give you a hand up to get back on your feet. People are competitive and more interested in protecting their own progeny/spreading their genes.....rather than help another person's family. Sadly I saw this in my church group.

Leads me to believe that as a whole we really don't give a s**t about others.



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04 Jan 2018, 11:55 am

HistoryGal wrote:
You find out how cooperative people are when you are down on your luck. Very few are willing to give you a hand up to get back on your feet. People are competitive and more interested in protecting their own progeny/spreading their genes.....rather than help another person's family. Sadly I saw this in my church group.

Leads me to believe that as a whole we really don't give a s**t about others.


That's been my experience of the world. People only think about themselves and their own families.



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04 Jan 2018, 12:02 pm

Yup their own faaaaaaaamilies and screw everyone else until they get in a tight spot. Than they whine like pansies.



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04 Jan 2018, 12:04 pm

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Yup their own faaaaaaaamilies and screw everyone else until they get in a tight spot. Than they whine like pansies.


It's like their whole world falls apart when it happens to them or their precious droppings.



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04 Jan 2018, 12:10 pm

They want the whole world to stop....I have always helped where I could. I can't stand seeing someone do without.

LOL at their droppings. Is that the word you meant for their precious children who never have to learn how to be self sufficient?



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04 Jan 2018, 12:15 pm

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They want the whole world to stop....I have always helped where I could. I can't stand seeing someone do without.

LOL at their droppings. Is that the word you meant for their precious children who never have to learn how to be self sufficient?


Yep, droppings are the precious children and grandchildren that never have to be self sufficient. It amazes me how some people have everything fixed by their parents and grandparents almost instantly



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04 Jan 2018, 2:17 pm

ladyelaine wrote:
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You find out how cooperative people are when you are down on your luck. Very few are willing to give you a hand up to get back on your feet. People are competitive and more interested in protecting their own progeny/spreading their genes.....rather than help another person's family. Sadly I saw this in my church group.

Leads me to believe that as a whole we really don't give a s**t about others.


That's been my experience of the world. People only think about themselves and their own families.

True to a certain extent. I know I'm amazingly fortunate on many levels, spectrum notwithstanding, and I try to share that luck through donations (because I'm crap at volunteering, since it generally requires interacting with real people and I'd rather just not). That being said, making sure my children/droppings (I refer to other peoples' kids as crotch puppets because I'm vulgar) have enough will always be my primary goal.


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04 Jan 2018, 2:49 pm

People can still take care of their families and be attentive to others. Anyone can find themselves in a situation where they are low on essential resources.

It's the greed mentality that I get sick of seeing.



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04 Jan 2018, 3:02 pm

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People can still take care of their families and be attentive to others. Anyone can find themselves in a situation where they are low on essential resources.

It's the greed mentality that I get sick of seeing.


Exactly. It wouldn't kill people to help another family in need. I get sick of the attitudes that people have toward people who need help. I don't like hearing that I'm not trying hard enough. I don't being made to feel like I don't matter or that I'm not worthy of help.



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04 Jan 2018, 3:07 pm

ladyelaine wrote:
HistoryGal wrote:
People can still take care of their families and be attentive to others. Anyone can find themselves in a situation where they are low on essential resources.

It's the greed mentality that I get sick of seeing.


Exactly. It wouldn't kill people to help another family in need. I get sick of the attitudes that people have toward people who need help. I don't like hearing that I'm not trying hard enough. I don't being made to feel like I don't matter or that I'm not worthy of help.

All of this. I'm confident the Earth has enough resources so we could all have what we need. The greed of those who want more than a reasonable share, though, means that others can't get their needs met. Multiple luxury homes, private jets, a fleet of cars...while real, live human beings are homeless, starving, and dying. That's obscene.

I've tried very hard to raise my own children with the focus on having enough, and when they have enough, to share everything else with those who have less.


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04 Jan 2018, 5:12 pm

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karathraceandherspecialdestiny wrote:
kraftiekortie wrote:
Religion did not create morals; people did.

Within religions, there are moral precepts that people promulgated. They are part and parcel of various religions.

Unfortunately, many people believe that the "Supreme Being/Beings" are the ones who promulgated morals, not giving enough credit to the ingenuity of Humankind.


That's very true. Altruism is actually a naturally beneficial behaviour in animals that live in groups, it evolved in us as a way to ensure we could live in large groups without constantly killing and thieving from each other. We evolved to be good to each other because it's how society thrives. Competition and violence only works well for animals that live mostly solitary lives.


Making assumption based on animals and their limited understanding on group dynamics then translate it to human society doesn't make much sense in my opinion. There are certain common aspects among mammals which includes the human race but I don't believe in the categorization of people.

Society is based on competition everybody is competing since it's the key for survival. People step over other's shoulders to get a higher rank in society and base their worth on their income, status and access of sex. We also kill each other whether in a direct or indirect way. Make somebody homeless because he can't pay his bills is another form of passive murder since that person is technically limited to make his livings anymore and most likely die by hunger if he doesn't have any access to foods or basic things he will die within a few years.

People with asperger sydrome have an often harder time to compete. Statistics show that 80% of people with autism never had a job. Society let those people die who can't compete whether by their own attempt by suicide or drugs, alcohol and hunger. People are often cruel and bullying to each other it's part of the human nature. Psychopaths who often take high positions in society have zero emotion towards other people and give zero attention if someone dies because of their faults.

The new healthcare system in the US and UK refuse to threat those people who don't have money to pay for a faster treatment. There are of course no reports on the numbers of people who died because they didn't get the treatment in the right time because they didn't have enough money to pay for their medical treatment.

From an optimistically point of view we don't murder each other therefore we have a peaceful lives but we're all here for competition for our own goods. We can't look aside and expect some God or leader to take care for us because that's not how things go by. We can legally murder people by abortion and euthanasia in some states already. but illegal murders like dying because of the psychological pressure the society makes upon it's citizens makes no statistics. A lot people would be way better living alone but the government exploit it's citizens by taxes and forces everybody to attempt schools to become a so called "good citizen" what kind of freedom we talking about when parents can't even make a decision over their kids own good. Some people have social phobia and would prefer to study alone why should we force everyone to think and act the same when it just limits our abilities and make us mentally more incapable for the rest of our lives. All we do is make a limit of human nature by creating a mindset which lies inside a box made by people whose authority can never be questioned because they're the experts of society and surely know everything better. i'm being ironic here
We slowly gave up our own rights because of fear, but this made us more exploitable and victim of a system which practices mass control over it's citizens.


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04 Jan 2018, 5:43 pm

MissChess wrote:
ladyelaine wrote:
HistoryGal wrote:
People can still take care of their families and be attentive to others. Anyone can find themselves in a situation where they are low on essential resources.

It's the greed mentality that I get sick of seeing.


Exactly. It wouldn't kill people to help another family in need. I get sick of the attitudes that people have toward people who need help. I don't like hearing that I'm not trying hard enough. I don't being made to feel like I don't matter or that I'm not worthy of help.

All of this. I'm confident the Earth has enough resources so we could all have what we need. The greed of those who want more than a reasonable share, though, means that others can't get their needs met. Multiple luxury homes, private jets, a fleet of cars...while real, live human beings are homeless, starving, and dying. That's obscene.

I've tried very hard to raise my own children with the focus on having enough, and when they have enough, to share everything else with those who have less.


I agree. People don't need to live in excess when there are people that are homeless and starving. People should use their extra resources to help people in need.



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04 Jan 2018, 6:21 pm

ladyelaine wrote:
MissChess wrote:
ladyelaine wrote:
HistoryGal wrote:
People can still take care of their families and be attentive to others. Anyone can find themselves in a situation where they are low on essential resources.

It's the greed mentality that I get sick of seeing.


Exactly. It wouldn't kill people to help another family in need. I get sick of the attitudes that people have toward people who need help. I don't like hearing that I'm not trying hard enough. I don't being made to feel like I don't matter or that I'm not worthy of help.

All of this. I'm confident the Earth has enough resources so we could all have what we need. The greed of those who want more than a reasonable share, though, means that others can't get their needs met. Multiple luxury homes, private jets, a fleet of cars...while real, live human beings are homeless, starving, and dying. That's obscene.

I've tried very hard to raise my own children with the focus on having enough, and when they have enough, to share everything else with those who have less.


I agree. People don't need to live in excess when there are people that are homeless and starving. People should use their extra resources to help people in need.


Life is like a slice of pizza everybody wants the best and forget about the rest.



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04 Jan 2018, 6:26 pm

Trojanofpeace wrote:
palaua wrote:
karathraceandherspecialdestiny wrote:
kraftiekortie wrote:
Religion did not create morals; people did.

Within religions, there are moral precepts that people promulgated. They are part and parcel of various religions.

Unfortunately, many people believe that the "Supreme Being/Beings" are the ones who promulgated morals, not giving enough credit to the ingenuity of Humankind.


That's very true. Altruism is actually a naturally beneficial behaviour in animals that live in groups, it evolved in us as a way to ensure we could live in large groups without constantly killing and thieving from each other. We evolved to be good to each other because it's how society thrives. Competition and violence only works well for animals that live mostly solitary lives.


Making assumption based on animals and their limited understanding on group dynamics then translate it to human society doesn't make much sense in my opinion. There are certain common aspects among mammals which includes the human race but I don't believe in the categorization of people.

Society is based on competition everybody is competing since it's the key for survival. People step over other's shoulders to get a higher rank in society and base their worth on their income, status and access of sex. We also kill each other whether in a direct or indirect way. Make somebody homeless because he can't pay his bills is another form of passive murder since that person is technically limited to make his livings anymore and most likely die by hunger if he doesn't have any access to foods or basic things he will die within a few years.

People with asperger sydrome have an often harder time to compete. Statistics show that 80% of people with autism never had a job. Society let those people die who can't compete whether by their own attempt by suicide or drugs, alcohol and hunger. People are often cruel and bullying to each other it's part of the human nature. Psychopaths who often take high positions in society have zero emotion towards other people and give zero attention if someone dies because of their faults.

The new healthcare system in the US and UK refuse to threat those people who don't have money to pay for a faster treatment. There are of course no reports on the numbers of people who died because they didn't get the treatment in the right time because they didn't have enough money to pay for their medical treatment.

From an optimistically point of view we don't murder each other therefore we have a peaceful lives but we're all here for competition for our own goods. We can't look aside and expect some God or leader to take care for us because that's not how things go by. We can legally murder people by abortion and euthanasia in some states already. but illegal murders like dying because of the psychological pressure the society makes upon it's citizens makes no statistics. A lot people would be way better living alone but the government exploit it's citizens by taxes and forces everybody to attempt schools to become a so called "good citizen" what kind of freedom we talking about when parents can't even make a decision over their kids own good. Some people have social phobia and would prefer to study alone why should we force everyone to think and act the same when it just limits our abilities and make us mentally more incapable for the rest of our lives. All we do is make a limit of human nature by creating a mindset which lies inside a box made by people whose authority can never be questioned because they're the experts of society and surely know everything better. i'm being ironic here
We slowly gave up our own rights because of fear, but this made us more exploitable and victim of a system which practices mass control over it's citizens.


No man is an island.


Thanks for the straw man comment.