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25 Jun 2015, 10:51 am

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I have that problem but have never blamed it on autism, few others have. That is why I don't make threads because I don't know how they will be interpreted as like if I am trying to start a drama here or provoke anyone, etc. I am shy about making threads now.

I notice when a drama gets started, people always assume it's intentional and that the person loves it.

I kind of find it ironic that lot of aspies seem to have no issues with communication on forums and socializing and for me it's hard because they seem to fit in and get along well with other users. It's like they have better social skills.

That and they talk about all these hidden meanings... the only "hidden meanings" are when I'm joking around on the more silly threads, but I've seen claims here I am twisting words and all sorts of things I really am not doing - they tell me of all these hidden messages and I don't understand :?



I get that twisting words accusations too. I think people will accuse me of it when I am right about something and they are wrong so they try and gaslight me and turn it around to make me look crazy. Sometimes people will make a response to me and their post makes no sense because I can't see how it's relevant to what I have said. Some people will think this is all bullying they are ding but I never thought of it that way and one of my online friends told me they are just trying to start something with me so ignore them. I even see them as idiots.


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25 Jun 2015, 11:33 am

iliketrees wrote:
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I have that problem but have never blamed it on autism, few others have. That is why I don't make threads because I don't know how they will be interpreted as like if I am trying to start a drama here or provoke anyone, etc. I am shy about making threads now.

I notice when a drama gets started, people always assume it's intentional and that the person loves it.

I kind of find it ironic that lot of aspies seem to have no issues with communication on forums and socializing and for me it's hard because they seem to fit in and get along well with other users. It's like they have better social skills.

That and they talk about all these hidden meanings... the only "hidden meanings" are when I'm joking around on the more silly threads, but I've seen claims here I am twisting words and all sorts of things I really am not doing - they tell me of all these hidden messages and I don't understand :?


This happens to me a lot on wp.
Rarely offline, not from autistic people or bap people or neurotypical people, although the frequency is highest in the last group, but not as much as on wp.


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25 Jun 2015, 11:45 am

f*k the haters I anus


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25 Jun 2015, 3:15 pm

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If self diagnosis is wrong, so is every other self observation.
Try self-developing without that.


Amen!



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25 Jun 2015, 3:32 pm

I've removed the self-diagnosis from my profile long time ago because It felt bit dishonest - I mean; how I would be for sure. What I am totally sure of that I was always socially inept.

Also AS diagnosis was removed from DSM for a good reason, it was a very ambiguous - some of the same psychiatrists who were part in writing the diagnosis criteria in DSM 4 are saying now it was too vague.



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26 Jun 2015, 10:44 am

QuiversWhiskers wrote:
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If self diagnosis is wrong, so is every other self observation.
Try self-developing without that.


Amen!


disagree

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26 Jun 2015, 11:40 am

It makes no sense that self-diagnosis is wrong means all self-observations are wrong.
For any individual, some of their self-observations are right, and some are wrong.
For official diagnosis, there is more than self-observation involved to match the autism criteria.


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26 Jun 2015, 12:02 pm

[quote="btbnnyr"]It makes no sense that self-diagnosis is wrong means all self-observations are wrong.
For any individual, some of their self-observations are right, and some are wrong.
For official diagnosis, there is more than self-observation involved to match the autism criteria.[/quote

Self-observation is not the only thing involved in "self-diagnosis", however. We are basing our judgments not only on what we have observed about ourselves but also on a lifetime of feedback from other people. They may not have said, "Hey, I think you are autistic", but they have called us names, excluded us from social settings, made judgments about our character, and in various other ways communicated that we are "off" or "wrong." We have been observed more and have received more feedback from peers than we could ever get from any therapist. Ever.



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26 Jun 2015, 12:10 pm

nerdygirl wrote:
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It makes no sense that self-diagnosis is wrong means all self-observations are wrong.
For any individual, some of their self-observations are right, and some are wrong.
For official diagnosis, there is more than self-observation involved to match the autism criteria.[/quote

Self-observation is not the only thing involved in "self-diagnosis", however. We are basing our judgments not only on what we have observed about ourselves but also on a lifetime of feedback from other people. They may not have said, "Hey, I think you are autistic", but they have called us names, excluded us from social settings, made judgments about our character, and in various other ways communicated that we are "off" or "wrong." We have been observed more and have received more feedback from peers than we could ever get from any therapist. Ever.


Non-autistic people can also receive that kind of feedback from others.
Many people are disliked or treated poorly by others.
Many non-autistic kids are bullied in school.
Many people are outcasts without being autistic.


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26 Jun 2015, 12:12 pm

The things where self observations are considered accurate enough are treatable by over-the-counter medicine. For example colds, flu, headache, travel sickness, head lice, cuts. Goes on. The more simple, more common things that don't need a doctor to say.



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26 Jun 2015, 12:15 pm

FFS WrongPlanet keeps saying I've been blocked.


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26 Jun 2015, 1:03 pm

Bug in the system. Try again Norny



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26 Jun 2015, 1:55 pm

nerdygirl wrote:
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It makes no sense that self-diagnosis is wrong means all self-observations are wrong.
For any individual, some of their self-observations are right, and some are wrong.
For official diagnosis, there is more than self-observation involved to match the autism criteria.[/quote

Self-observation is not the only thing involved in "self-diagnosis", however. We are basing our judgments not only on what we have observed about ourselves but also on a lifetime of feedback from other people. They may not have said, "Hey, I think you are autistic", but they have called us names, excluded us from social settings, made judgments about our character, and in various other ways communicated that we are "off" or "wrong." We have been observed more and have received more feedback from peers than we could ever get from any therapist. Ever.



I wonder how one can tell if all that is due to their autism or because they were just a bunch of mean and intolerant kids/adults or because they were just an a**hole and none of those kids liked them for it. I say this because I have noticed sometimes online how individuals on the spectrum would complain how bad their social skills are and how people judge them but I would see instead their bad personality and I think it's more due to that than their autism. I remember one former mod here pointing out to someone here that his "social issues' may be due to him being a racist than him having AS. My ex boyfriend had social anxiety and he was always nervous around people and didn't want to come off wrong and he didn't like me talking to my parents and would always tell me what to say to them and he probably didn;t realize that it made him look worse doing that but really he was an a**hole and controlling and emotionally abusive so no wonder he was judged and I am sure he was judged negatively before and he was so far out of reality, he was not able to see himself. Instead it was always poor him instead of looking at what is causing people to judge him negatively and then changing that part of him, he got anxiety about it instead.

I do think some do use their autism as an excuse.


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26 Jun 2015, 11:21 pm

btbnnyr wrote:
For any individual, some of their self-observations are right, and some are wrong.
For official diagnosis, there is more than self-observation involved to match the autism criteria.

I would venture to say that my self-observation was nowhere close to that of the clinical psychologist who diagnosed me.

My interpretation of what the clinical psychologist wrote (in my diagnostic report) is that I am far less normal than I thought I was. Sometimes, I wonder if others (outside my wife, who read the diagnostic report and thought it was fairly spot on) perceive me in a fashion way. Not that I would care what they think. Rather, I am simply curious if the observation is shared by others I know.



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27 Jun 2015, 2:26 am

btbnnyr wrote:
nerdygirl wrote:
btbnnyr wrote:
It makes no sense that self-diagnosis is wrong means all self-observations are wrong.
For any individual, some of their self-observations are right, and some are wrong.
For official diagnosis, there is more than self-observation involved to match the autism criteria.[/quote

Self-observation is not the only thing involved in "self-diagnosis", however. We are basing our judgments not only on what we have observed about ourselves but also on a lifetime of feedback from other people. They may not have said, "Hey, I think you are autistic", but they have called us names, excluded us from social settings, made judgments about our character, and in various other ways communicated that we are "off" or "wrong." We have been observed more and have received more feedback from peers than we could ever get from any therapist. Ever.


Non-autistic people can also receive that kind of feedback from others.
Many people are disliked or treated poorly by others.
Many non-autistic kids are bullied in school.
Many people are outcasts without being autistic.

Amen to that...



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27 Jun 2015, 4:40 am

Why do threads like this make people quit?

can somebody point me to a post that was super offensive so I can understand?


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