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Love this rdos you ever shove 2 aspies in the same room and try and get them to be empathy to each other without been sympathy....

And if you think a war is only an nt thing it's not....

Love the way you split aspie's & nt's apart your almost as bad as they are does that say something about us?

Rdos how much contact do you have with human's coz you don't seem to know alot about them to say they are a "" in-group "" thing...

bullying is a 16% of nt thing...... not all are like that...

GEE,

I guess there aren't many NTs then. I haven't been bullied by THAT many.

BTW NT here is often used as "english" by the amish, or "gentile" by the jews. HERE NT often means NON-Autistic.

Give that, are you saying no bullies are autistic, and all non-autistics are bullies?

Steve

I need to comment on this as well, about "learning" empathy.

Yes, quite likely, because they are totally off in their reasoning of the causes.

Learning empathy also sounds very odd too me. Don't these NTs mean that it is possible to learn (some) NTs that they should show some empathy to the out-group as well? I strongly suspect this is what they mean. Clearly, this concept is not applicable to Aspies. Aspies usually don't have the in-group/out-group concept, and so don't have "selective-empathy" either.



Bullocks! That is not empathy. It is called <b>instinct</b> in every other species.

Let me split this down

He's using an example he is not saying it's empathy.

He is saying you can learn, to a large degree, to simulate empathy but not fully Understand it....

And yes animal's but then animals can read us does that then mean they been to a school to learn to read outside groups geez...

We are two Aspies + two ADHDers here right now, and have been for 12 years. I suppose that should be enough for you?

And yes, we show empathy, especially the two Aspies here around.

I've also been on several Aspie-gatherings, and it is the same thing.



It's been researched. Disgust for wars is an Aspie-trait



I'm just realistic. It doesn't help to suppress what you know.



I've studied evolutionary psychology extensively. That's a topic I recommend every Aspie to study. When you do study it, it becomes so clear to you that NTs are driven by instincts to such a large degree it is almost scary. The grouping of people as subject-other, ingroup-outgroup, we-them, friend-enemy or whatever you want to call it, is an instinctual drive of NTs.

12 year's god sake of course you can show empathy coz you have know each other for 12 years....................................


Past scary on your view of a Nt - I would not put it past you to make a bomb to blow them up...

Last edited by logitechdog on 27 Dec 2006, 6:56 am, edited 1 time in total.

Even though the instinct to group people as in-group/out-group is present in most NTs, laws and social pressure leads to only some NTs becoming bullies. Most bullies are probably low-status and want to achieve higher status by bullying people with even lower perceived status.

rdos you need help....

Yes, but this happened already from the very beginning. It's certainly not anything any of us have learnt. It is just as simple for Aspies to be empathic towards each others as it is for NTs. It comes pretty natural.



I'm one of the Aspies that have an intense dislike for the military, and for violence. Besides, I work with NTs and get along pretty well with them. It doesn't seem like you are actively engaged with NTs because of your obvious lack of understanding for their motivations.

You have to be a masochist to enjoy debating with logitechdog.

Just coz we are Aspie doesn't mean we are detached that much from Nt's.... Bet this is been backed up on your view that As is a Neanderthal thing which is another set and this is fuelling your views...

I don't think you know what empathy is still coz your using the 1 part of it - which you are been sympathy to each other coz you have been through the same stuff kinda..

And by the way Aspie people have the same motivations your been pritty semitic empathy towards Nt's, we might be different but you seem to be trying to stick us as not human........

Hey, I feel masochistic, so that's probably why I enjoy it?

It could also be that his obvious military-profile is turning me off

Good rdos coz I like your attitude towards not needing qualifications….

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You fall under this rdos, .....we aspies - them Nt's..... ingroup - outgroup..... probably friend - enemy.... flawed

We not a different Species...

He is not charging money or giving medical advice why does he need qualifications?

Meant for his paper on Neanderthal theory.............


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He is not charging money or giving medical advice why does he need qualifications?
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Well, I admit that my views of Aspies as Neanderthals are fueling my views, but I'm also very persistent with separating Aspie-quiz from the Neanderthal theory. When I debate here, I mostly refer to scientific sound results from Aspie-quiz. Those are not my opinions, but facts, that anybody can replicate if they want to.



I'm absolutely not referring to sympathy and "we've been through the same kind of stuff". I find that stuff repulsive.

What I mean, from personal experience, is that Aspies can read each others minds just well as NTs can read their minds. The "deficiet" in Theory-of-Mind of autistics is only applicable to Aspie-NT relations. There is no such "deficiet" between Aspies. What's more, there is also a deficiet in NTs that makes them unable to read autistic minds. That this is so should be obvious to anybody. Why else do you think NT parents are complaining about not being able to understand their child? Why do teachers at school claim they don't know what our daughter wants, and are unable to read her facial expressions, when I can clearly see what she wants?

Adding to the evidence is that NTs regard stims as useless body-movements. Sometimes they seem to be mistaken for tics, and diagnosed as Tourette.

I can tell you an even more exceptional story. When our son was born prematurely at 27 weeks in 2004, he could communicate with me already around 35 weeks (5 weeks before he should have been born). Needless to say, this was not with words. He kept this ability up to around one year of age, when he instead started to become more verbal.



Not at all. Neanderthals were certainly human.