Prejucises by autistic people about autism
Then again, I suck at "tone."
I'm in no position to criticize someone for being "blunt" as I'm usually the same way.
Nothing wrong with being blunt if you sugar coat it, it will cloud the message.
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I cant cope with abuse and projections though.
sorry i killed the tread. i specifically tried to avoid an argument but ended in it anyway.
I don't think it was killed and arguments happen. As long as there are animals( literal) of any sort there will be arguments.
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i believe that the majority of people on wrong planet do not have autism.
i think that very many people are attracted to their idea about what autism is.
they think that asperger syndrome means that the "sufferers" look younger than average for their age, and are naive to the point of "cuteness", yet intelligent to the degree that they are oblivious to their genius. asperger syndrome is an attractive "identity" for many disenfranchised people to adopt.
the people who claim that they have autism who speak in terms of "us", and who make statements that claim to be on behalf of all asperger people are, in my opinion, the least likely to be truly autistic.
statements that start with words like "us aspies tend to.." etc make me annoyed because even though i have confirmed asperger syndrome, i would never talk on behalf of anyone else who has asperger syndrome.
the angst against NT's displayed by some posters makes me think they have "adopted" the identity of autism as a rebellion to what they are not impressed with in the wide world.
i have always presumed that what goes through my mind is peculiar to me, and i would never make a statement that presumes i am a spokesperson for anyone else.
i hate sentences that start with "well us aspies are....". how arrogant. i am not like them and if they are trying to describe asperger syndrome on behalf of other asperger people, i immediately suspect they are wrong in their self diagnosis.
a defining characteristic of my mind is that i presume that no one thinks like me, and i would never speak on behalf of anyone else without consulting them.
i know many people on this site truly do have AS, but there are more people who are just riding on a bandwagon that they wish to belong on for incorrect reasons.
Wait, so you don't like when people make generalizations about AS based on their own opinions and personalities, but you assume anyone who does speak for people with AS in such a way doesn't really have AS because that's something you would never do? That seems contradictory to me, you're not the spokesperson for AS either, just because you don't do it doesn't mean someone else would.
That isn't to say I like when people make those statements, on the contrary I really hate it. I haven't found sharing a diagnosis with someone to be any sort of indicator of what we'll have in common beyond the diagnostic criteria (and even that affects everyone differently). It's bad enough that society at large stereotypes people with AS and ASD but I find it especially frustrating when people on the spectrum assume they can speak for everyone else with autism, but I don't see how that is any sort of indicator of whether a person has autism or not.
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I don't like the 'we aspies....." statements either and I don't like the attitude that people with autism belong to some kind of exclusive cool club. It seems strange to me that people think that way............AS is just a disability/disorder like any other, like intellectual disabilities, learning disabilities, mental illnesses ect. Of course it's different from other disorders....it's its own thing.....I'm just saying having AS isn't any better than having another disorder. I'm not any prouder of having been diagnosed with AS than I am of being diagnosed with a learning disability or than I would be if I developed Schizophrenia and was diagnosed with that. Sure there are strengths associated with it...there are strengths associated with a lot of disorders and disabilities; some examples are that blind people on average have higher than average verbal IQ scores and vocabulary sub test scores, people with bipolar disorder scored higher on a lab measure of creativity than the general population. When one part of the brain isn't functioning well another part sometimes develops to compensate for the deficit. The strengths associated with AS aren't special and certainly don't make us superior beings or more evolved or a different race or something. Also, seeing AS as just a difference or personality type and not a disorder belittles the severe problems many people have because of AS and the accommodations we need and cause people to not take us seriously. I don't think it likely that 90% of people on WP who claim to have AS don't have it -though I don't really know-and wouldn't presume to be able to tell from posts on an Internet forum, being a layperson, who has a disorder as complex as ASD, or any disorder for that matter ,and who doesn't. Still, I think the attitudes that I described above-which I have seen expressed by some WP members- can be harmful to people with autism and are arrogant.
It's fairly obvious to me that people like myself and B9 are more 'autistic', hence we see things in a more clear-cut, black and white way and those who are heading more towards the NT end of the spectrum see things in a more 'grey' manner. Hence the disagreements. This is why I will always support a person like B9 whether he's right or wrong as I feel more 'kinship with him.
I don't think some people here 'get' this kinship feeling and it's probably because your kinship is closer to the NT end of the spectrum but you don't want to play down the deep end with the big boys, you prefer to try and 'lord it' over people further down the spectrum, which is pretty crass in my opinion - go and interact with your own type instead of trying to impose NT-related thinking onto people who aren't interested in it.
I have an innate 'like me/not like me' instinct
I really don't get a "kinship" feeling with anyone, autistic or otherwise.
Hence why I reject the "we Aspies" thing.
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I don't think some people here 'get' this kinship feeling and it's probably because your kinship is closer to the NT end of the spectrum but you don't want to play down the deep end with the big boys, you prefer to try and 'lord it' over people further down the spectrum, which is pretty crass in my opinion - go and interact with your own type instead of trying to impose NT-related thinking onto people who aren't interested in it.
I have an innate 'like me/not like me' instinct
This is a somewhat elaborate rephrasing of the "we aspies" thing that b9 was complaining about, along with the "more autistic than thou" stance I criticized earlier in this thread. I supported b9 in this thread because I thought that answeraspergers was mischaracterizing him, and I have supported b9 on other occasions despite the two disagreements he and I have had. I do not base my support on how autistic I may perceive other people to be, but on whether I think they are correct or not, whether I think they are being unfairly characterized or not.
Hence why I reject the "we Aspies" thing.
I do
I sense the difference and vulnerability in some people on the spectrum that I have myself and I sense more of an NT vibe in many others. I'm not saying they're NT, just that their vibe is more NT than autistic. It's obviously going to happen with us all being on a spectrum and I'd hazard a guess that many more autistic people have been driven away by the more NT types as they've felt 'got at'. I have often felt I might as well be amongst a group of NTs on here - it's depressing but it strengthens my resolve not to let them dominate.
I don't think some people here 'get' this kinship feeling and it's probably because your kinship is closer to the NT end of the spectrum but you don't want to play down the deep end with the big boys, you prefer to try and 'lord it' over people further down the spectrum, which is pretty crass in my opinion - go and interact with your own type instead of trying to impose NT-related thinking onto people who aren't interested in it.
I have an innate 'like me/not like me' instinct
This is a somewhat elaborate rephrasing of the "we aspies" thing that b9 was complaining about, along with the "more autistic than thou" stance I criticized earlier in this thread. I supported b9 in this thread because I thought that answeraspergers was mischaracterizing him, and I have supported b9 on other occasions despite the two disagreements he and I have had. I do not base my support on how autistic I may perceive other people to be, but on whether I think they are correct or not, whether I think they are being unfairly characterized or not.
I am very biased against 'Ntness' I'll admit it. No one said people in the autistic spectrum weren't allowed to be as biased as the NTs - I like to give it right back! I'm not aiming to be holier than thou, just to assert my right to exist and have opinions as much as the next person and if someone gets on my case I'll return the favour.
its not my aim to get at or characterise anyone really
with regard to the "us v's them" mentality - thats totally bogus and will not help you imo.
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with regard to the "us v's them" mentality - thats totally bogus and will not help you imo.
You can speak for yourself, it works well for me
You spend your time on Twitter - enough said!
And you're also flogging your book
People are just like they have always been! Nothing has ever changed, there..
I bet if evetone on WP actually got evaluated, you would find at least 60-70% of posters were on the spectrum. However, there has always been a few who seem to think that a formal dx is required for membership here. Which proves that everyone has their own little biases.
That aside, most people know what I feel about "Aspie Pride" & such other attempts to make ASDs some sort of identity. These are disorders, not lifestyles.
Sincerely,
Matthew
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