Post-assessment thoughts (finally got the result today).

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16 Sep 2014, 1:47 pm

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Tomorrow it's been a week since I got my diagnosis. I still don't know how to process the whole thing, what to feel, whether or not to believe the psychologist came to the right conclusion etc. I should probably trust the result after a half a year long assessment and a diagnosis confirmed by three or four of the psychologist's colleagues, but I keep worrying that perhaps I subconsciously faked or exaggerated things. Also, I can't let go of the fact that I don't seem autistic to other people. I don't understand. I don't know what I'm supposed to be like. I've got so many questions (I've written a list of all the questions) and I don't know what to do about them because I won't get to see the psychologist for another two weeks. I feel like I'm going to explode (metaphorically).

(I feel like I'm writing the same things over and over but this is really relevant to me. I'll keep writing here for now instead of starting new threads. At least when it comes to this subject.)


I wonder if obsessing over the results is proof of diagnosis ;)



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16 Sep 2014, 3:49 pm

That was sharp! :)


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16 Sep 2014, 3:52 pm

I know I'm overthinking this. Difficult not to. Sorry.



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16 Sep 2014, 3:56 pm

You´re not alone. I´m still doing it.


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16 Sep 2014, 4:36 pm

Spectacles wrote:
I wonder if obsessing over the results is proof of diagnosis ;)


Not to change the subject but I find it extremely interesting, fascinating and odd that:

1. Some WP folks (myself included) get professionally diagnosed, yet still express doubt/skepticism with the formal diagnosis

while

2. Other WP folks have the confidence to self-diagnose (without any doubt/skepticism)

I wonder if this (doubt/skepticism) permeates the lives of the former, but not the latter.

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I know I'm overthinking this. Difficult not to. Sorry.

Take your time. You might want to consider writing your thoughts in a journal. I found this quite helpful.



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16 Sep 2014, 4:46 pm

I believe that a lack of very strict, completely empirical diagnostic criteria, and the universal human tendency toward confirmation bias, can explain 1 and 2, respectively.

(Please note that I am not saying there aren't diagnostic criteria - we most certainly have criteria - but it's full of enough gray area and complexity to make it a point of contention sometimes, and thus not the same thing as, say, diagnosing that one has high cholesterol.)



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16 Sep 2014, 4:47 pm

Rocket123 wrote:
Not to change the subject but I find it extremely interesting, fascinating and odd that:

1. Some WP folks (myself included) get professionally diagnosed, yet still express doubt/skepticism with the formal diagnosis

while

2. Other WP folks have the confidence to self-diagnose (without any doubt/skepticism)

I wonder if this (doubt/skepticism) permeates the lives of the former, but not the latter.


I'm quite skeptical by nature and I often, though not always, need time to carefully think things through before accepting (or not accepting) them. I need as much information as possible if I'm to be convinced of something (that I've been correctly diagnosed for example).



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16 Sep 2014, 5:42 pm

rebbieh wrote:
I know I'm overthinking this. Difficult not to. Sorry.


Don't feel sorry. Just thought I'd point out something else to think about :) (I thoroughly enjoy following this thread. It allows me to follow someone else's process before I go through it myself, and I really appreciate it. So thank you for sharing! :)).

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Spectacles wrote:
I wonder if obsessing over the results is proof of diagnosis ;)


Not to change the subject but I find it extremely interesting, fascinating and odd that:
1. Some WP folks (myself included) get professionally diagnosed, yet still express doubt/skepticism with the formal diagnosis
while
2. Other WP folks have the confidence to self-diagnose (without any doubt/skepticism)
I wonder if this (doubt/skepticism) permeates the lives of the former, but not the latter.


Interesting, I wonder if that will be the case (still waiting). As of yet, I don't have much confidence in the system itself. It seems that the prevalence of those who are qualified to make an accurate diagnosis in the mental health system in the States is very small compared to how many actually make diagnoses. Until the eye tracking technology or brain scans (or some other yet known to us physical diagnosis) become more common place, it's gonna be hard not to be skeptical. I know I fit enough criteria to warrant a diagnosis, so for all practical purposes, I assume the diagnosis, though I still wonder if my oddities could be better explained via a conglomeration of other factors.



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16 Sep 2014, 9:46 pm

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rebbieh wrote:
Tomorrow it's been a week since I got my diagnosis. I still don't know how to process the whole thing, what to feel, whether or not to believe the psychologist came to the right conclusion etc. I should probably trust the result after a half a year long assessment and a diagnosis confirmed by three or four of the psychologist's colleagues, but I keep worrying that perhaps I subconsciously faked or exaggerated things. Also, I can't let go of the fact that I don't seem autistic to other people. I don't understand. I don't know what I'm supposed to be like. I've got so many questions (I've written a list of all the questions) and I don't know what to do about them because I won't get to see the psychologist for another two weeks. I feel like I'm going to explode (metaphorically).

(I feel like I'm writing the same things over and over but this is really relevant to me. I'll keep writing here for now instead of starting new threads. At least when it comes to this subject.)


I wonder if obsessing over the results is proof of diagnosis ;)


Obessing over this seems to me a much more autistic kind of thinking than self-diagnosing without doubt, which seems like neurotypical thinking to me.

I usually trust the judgments of obsessors on various issues, including autism diagnosis and research results, because I know that they are obsessors who have obsessed a lot and gone over tiny details many times to spot errors and eggsplore alternative eggsplanations. I usually can't trust the judgments of people around me who I think are not obsessive enough and too driven by general eggspectation top-down instead of tiny details and obsessing over them.

When I have a question about science or how to do some eggsperiment or how to calculate something, I will consult the obsessors instead of the more normal people around me.


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16 Sep 2014, 9:51 pm

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Spectacles wrote:
rebbieh wrote:
Tomorrow it's been a week since I got my diagnosis. I still don't know how to process the whole thing, what to feel, whether or not to believe the psychologist came to the right conclusion etc. I should probably trust the result after a half a year long assessment and a diagnosis confirmed by three or four of the psychologist's colleagues, but I keep worrying that perhaps I subconsciously faked or exaggerated things. Also, I can't let go of the fact that I don't seem autistic to other people. I don't understand. I don't know what I'm supposed to be like. I've got so many questions (I've written a list of all the questions) and I don't know what to do about them because I won't get to see the psychologist for another two weeks. I feel like I'm going to explode (metaphorically).

(I feel like I'm writing the same things over and over but this is really relevant to me. I'll keep writing here for now instead of starting new threads. At least when it comes to this subject.)


I wonder if obsessing over the results is proof of diagnosis ;)


Obessing over this seems to me a much more autistic kind of thinking than self-diagnosing without doubt, which seems like neurotypical thinking to me.

I usually trust the judgments of obsessors on various issues, including autism diagnosis and research results, because I know that they are obsessors who have obsessed a lot and gone over tiny details many times to spot errors and eggsplore alternative eggsplanations. I usually can't trust the judgments of people around me who I think are not obsessive enough and too driven by general eggspectation top-down instead of tiny details and obsessing over them.

When I have a question about science or how to do some eggsperiment or how to calculate something, I will consult the obsessors instead of the more normal people around me.
But what if those who have self diagnosed have obsessed over that as well?


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16 Sep 2014, 9:56 pm

It's not the same: obsessing over self-diagnosis vs. obsessing over professional diagnosis after a thorough detailed assessment.
The first is much more susceptible to top-down influences to make information fit a certain model.


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16 Sep 2014, 10:33 pm

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It's not the same: obsessing over self-diagnosis vs. obsessing over professional diagnosis after a thorough detailed assessment.
The first is much more susceptible to top-down influences to make information fit a certain model.
What does "top down influences" mean?


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17 Sep 2014, 12:06 am

btbnnyr wrote:
Obessing over this seems to me a much more autistic kind of thinking than self-diagnosing without doubt, which seems like neurotypical thinking to me.

I usually trust the judgments of obsessors on various issues, including autism diagnosis and research results, because I know that they are obsessors who have obsessed a lot and gone over tiny details many times to spot errors and eggsplore alternative eggsplanations. I usually can't trust the judgments of people around me who I think are not obsessive enough and too driven by general eggspectation top-down instead of tiny details and obsessing over them.

When I have a question about science or how to do some eggsperiment or how to calculate something, I will consult the obsessors instead of the more normal people around me.

Count me as one of those who obsesses over the tiny details. Of everything. The problem is, when you closely inspect anything, you will find flaws or inconsistencies. Sometimes I wish I could turn it off. I cannot.



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17 Sep 2014, 12:19 am

It's not possible to turn it off.
It's not possible to not notice tiny details and obsess over them.
Like NT social cognition, this tendency seems to be automatic and mandatory.


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17 Sep 2014, 12:30 am

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Count me as one of those who obsesses over the tiny details. Of everything. The problem is, when you closely inspect anything, you will find flaws or inconsistencies. Sometimes I wish I could turn it off. I cannot.


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17 Sep 2014, 8:58 pm

rebbieh wrote:
Rocket123 wrote:
Count me as one of those who obsesses over the tiny details. Of everything. The problem is, when you closely inspect anything, you will find flaws or inconsistencies. Sometimes I wish I could turn it off. I cannot.


Story of my life.

Well, it can be both a blessing and a curse.

I have always liked the way Temple Grandin described her thinking style. She writes: ?All my thinking is bottom-up instead of top-down. I find lots of little details and put them together to form concepts and theories?.

I have a very similar bottoms-up thinking style. Fortunately, I chose a profession (software system development) where this type of thinking can be quite useful. I say ?can be? because I sometimes annoy my neurotypical co-workers and bosses by identifying flaws in their thinking/designs/plans. It?s not at all difficult to do (sort of like ?shooting fish in a barrel?). Early in my working career, I wondered why I was the only one that saw this stuff. Now I know.

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It's not possible to turn it off.
It's not possible to not notice tiny details and obsess over them.
Like NT social cognition, this tendency seems to be automatic and mandatory.

Really? It seems like my inability to turn this off is the direct cause of my near-constant worry/stress.

In fact, one of the reasons I started therapy was to learn how to better deal with this. I was hoping that would help. Because I put this ?scope? on everything. Even the smallest decisions go through this process. Which is one of the reasons I love routines. The ?scope? does not analyze my routines. As those have become accepted and, just as importantly, optimized.