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18 Apr 2016, 1:38 am
Edenthiel wrote:
StarTrekker wrote:
Don't care that this thread is four months old, it has Star Trek in the title, ergo I am required to post!
I absolutely feel like Seven of Nine. Our problems line up very closely with one another, and her behaviours and thought patterns resonate with me deeply. We're both stiff and formal, and uneasy with responding to emotion, we have to think everything through logically because almost nothing about social "human" behaviour comes instinctively or naturally to us. We share the same rigid need for structure and routine, as well as sensory sensitivities, and the feeling that most people don't really understand us. Seven is my hero.
I absolutely feel like Seven of Nine. Our problems line up very closely with one another, and her behaviours and thought patterns resonate with me deeply. We're both stiff and formal, and uneasy with responding to emotion, we have to think everything through logically because almost nothing about social "human" behaviour comes instinctively or naturally to us. We share the same rigid need for structure and routine, as well as sensory sensitivities, and the feeling that most people don't really understand us. Seven is my hero.
Oh, now I'm going to have to go back and re-watch a few episodes, I must have completely missed all of that. I assumed (from memory, from a time period when I was usually stressed, tired, etc) that she was far more one-dimensional but perhaps I'm wrong? It would be good if you could recommend any episodes you think would change my mind/memories, please. Also, under the assumption that all of that is in fact in the character, I apologize.
To see the depth of character properly, it's best if you see a few episodes from when she first appeared in season 4, then contrast them with a few from season 6 or 7. One of my favourite episodes which clearly contrasts who Seven is after a few years of liberation, and who she was as a Borg, is episode 12 of season 7, "Repentance", in which Seven has to come to terms with the atrocities she committed as a drone when Voyager picks up some stranded aliens who are transporting death row prisoners to their place of execution.
One of my other favourite episodes, "The Raven", season 4 episode 6, gives us a lot of backstory into Seven's past and childhood assimilation; it paints the picture of an individual who has very deep and very real psychological wounds which are too much for her to address emotionally, so she buries them under layers of logic, rationality, and Borg efficiency.
Another episode I love which shows how much of a struggle fitting in with the human crew is for her, and how hard she works at it (read: the episode in which she most clearly represents an aspie trying to fit in as NT) is "Someone to Watch Over Me", season 5 episode 22. Watching her in that episode is actually a little painful for me, because she tries so hard, and everyone still treats her like an outsider and a freak. I know exactly what that's like.
If you want one that shows how far she has come from where she was originally, the two-parter "Dark Frontier", season 5 episodes 15 and 16, does this nicely, when Seven allows herself to be taken hostage by the Borg, of whom she is now (though she would never admit it) more afraid than anything, so the rest of her away team can escape safely.
Seven can come across as one-dimensional at times, seeming nothing more than robotic and logical without a trace of human emotion, but her depth becomes evident over time. She evolves from a "mindless automoton" (B'Elanna's words) who feels nothing for anyone, to a real human being with complex emotions that she is learning to understand and respond to, with the help of the Doctor, Janeway, Naomi Wildman, and the rest of the crew.
I could go on, as there is literally not an episode featuring Seven that I don't like, but that should be enough for you to be getting on with!
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18 Apr 2016, 2:05 am
18 Apr 2016, 10:52 pm
StarTrekker wrote:
Edenthiel wrote:
StarTrekker wrote:
Don't care that this thread is four months old, it has Star Trek in the title, ergo I am required to post!
I absolutely feel like Seven of Nine. Our problems line up very closely with one another, and her behaviours and thought patterns resonate with me deeply. We're both stiff and formal, and uneasy with responding to emotion, we have to think everything through logically because almost nothing about social "human" behaviour comes instinctively or naturally to us. We share the same rigid need for structure and routine, as well as sensory sensitivities, and the feeling that most people don't really understand us. Seven is my hero.
I absolutely feel like Seven of Nine. Our problems line up very closely with one another, and her behaviours and thought patterns resonate with me deeply. We're both stiff and formal, and uneasy with responding to emotion, we have to think everything through logically because almost nothing about social "human" behaviour comes instinctively or naturally to us. We share the same rigid need for structure and routine, as well as sensory sensitivities, and the feeling that most people don't really understand us. Seven is my hero.
Oh, now I'm going to have to go back and re-watch a few episodes, I must have completely missed all of that. I assumed (from memory, from a time period when I was usually stressed, tired, etc) that she was far more one-dimensional but perhaps I'm wrong? It would be good if you could recommend any episodes you think would change my mind/memories, please. Also, under the assumption that all of that is in fact in the character, I apologize.
To see the depth of character properly, it's best if you see a few episodes from when she first appeared in season 4, then contrast them with a few from season 6 or 7. One of my favourite episodes which clearly contrasts who Seven is after a few years of liberation, and who she was as a Borg, is episode 12 of season 7, "Repentance", in which Seven has to come to terms with the atrocities she committed as a drone when Voyager picks up some stranded aliens who are transporting death row prisoners to their place of execution.
One of my other favourite episodes, "The Raven", season 4 episode 6, gives us a lot of backstory into Seven's past and childhood assimilation; it paints the picture of an individual who has very deep and very real psychological wounds which are too much for her to address emotionally, so she buries them under layers of logic, rationality, and Borg efficiency.
Another episode I love which shows how much of a struggle fitting in with the human crew is for her, and how hard she works at it (read: the episode in which she most clearly represents an aspie trying to fit in as NT) is "Someone to Watch Over Me", season 5 episode 22. Watching her in that episode is actually a little painful for me, because she tries so hard, and everyone still treats her like an outsider and a freak. I know exactly what that's like.
If you want one that shows how far she has come from where she was originally, the two-parter "Dark Frontier", season 5 episodes 15 and 16, does this nicely, when Seven allows herself to be taken hostage by the Borg, of whom she is now (though she would never admit it) more afraid than anything, so the rest of her away team can escape safely.
Seven can come across as one-dimensional at times, seeming nothing more than robotic and logical without a trace of human emotion, but her depth becomes evident over time. She evolves from a "mindless automoton" (B'Elanna's words) who feels nothing for anyone, to a real human being with complex emotions that she is learning to understand and respond to, with the help of the Doctor, Janeway, Naomi Wildman, and the rest of the crew.
I could go on, as there is literally not an episode featuring Seven that I don't like, but that should be enough for you to be getting on with!
Thank you, so much! I'm going to start binging & hopefully I'll find a new appreciation for the series and Seven.
18 Apr 2016, 11:09 pm
Edenthiel wrote:
StarTrekker wrote:
Edenthiel wrote:
StarTrekker wrote:
Don't care that this thread is four months old, it has Star Trek in the title, ergo I am required to post!
I absolutely feel like Seven of Nine. Our problems line up very closely with one another, and her behaviours and thought patterns resonate with me deeply. We're both stiff and formal, and uneasy with responding to emotion, we have to think everything through logically because almost nothing about social "human" behaviour comes instinctively or naturally to us. We share the same rigid need for structure and routine, as well as sensory sensitivities, and the feeling that most people don't really understand us. Seven is my hero.
I absolutely feel like Seven of Nine. Our problems line up very closely with one another, and her behaviours and thought patterns resonate with me deeply. We're both stiff and formal, and uneasy with responding to emotion, we have to think everything through logically because almost nothing about social "human" behaviour comes instinctively or naturally to us. We share the same rigid need for structure and routine, as well as sensory sensitivities, and the feeling that most people don't really understand us. Seven is my hero.
Oh, now I'm going to have to go back and re-watch a few episodes, I must have completely missed all of that. I assumed (from memory, from a time period when I was usually stressed, tired, etc) that she was far more one-dimensional but perhaps I'm wrong? It would be good if you could recommend any episodes you think would change my mind/memories, please. Also, under the assumption that all of that is in fact in the character, I apologize.
To see the depth of character properly, it's best if you see a few episodes from when she first appeared in season 4, then contrast them with a few from season 6 or 7. One of my favourite episodes which clearly contrasts who Seven is after a few years of liberation, and who she was as a Borg, is episode 12 of season 7, "Repentance", in which Seven has to come to terms with the atrocities she committed as a drone when Voyager picks up some stranded aliens who are transporting death row prisoners to their place of execution.
One of my other favourite episodes, "The Raven", season 4 episode 6, gives us a lot of backstory into Seven's past and childhood assimilation; it paints the picture of an individual who has very deep and very real psychological wounds which are too much for her to address emotionally, so she buries them under layers of logic, rationality, and Borg efficiency.
Another episode I love which shows how much of a struggle fitting in with the human crew is for her, and how hard she works at it (read: the episode in which she most clearly represents an aspie trying to fit in as NT) is "Someone to Watch Over Me", season 5 episode 22. Watching her in that episode is actually a little painful for me, because she tries so hard, and everyone still treats her like an outsider and a freak. I know exactly what that's like.
If you want one that shows how far she has come from where she was originally, the two-parter "Dark Frontier", season 5 episodes 15 and 16, does this nicely, when Seven allows herself to be taken hostage by the Borg, of whom she is now (though she would never admit it) more afraid than anything, so the rest of her away team can escape safely.
Seven can come across as one-dimensional at times, seeming nothing more than robotic and logical without a trace of human emotion, but her depth becomes evident over time. She evolves from a "mindless automoton" (B'Elanna's words) who feels nothing for anyone, to a real human being with complex emotions that she is learning to understand and respond to, with the help of the Doctor, Janeway, Naomi Wildman, and the rest of the crew.
I could go on, as there is literally not an episode featuring Seven that I don't like, but that should be enough for you to be getting on with!
Thank you, so much! I'm going to start binging & hopefully I'll find a new appreciation for the series and Seven.
Now, here's what's funny....The biggest, smartest sex symbol on that show....and I have a hard time watching her. There are people in the world whose nose bobs when they speak. It is very distracting to me. I can't stop watching it bob up and down.
Her nose does that. And, it's sharp, which accentuates that action. *shudder*
I know that sounds so bad......Kinda one of the odd things about anatomy being a special interest. The oddest things set me off. Some people I just can hardly stand to look at. Even on TV. I don't know why......The flip side is that I found a few tests that measure the type of people you find attractive. All of them basically said that I liked faces outside of the norm. And, I have always found what most people considered to be beautiful rather bland.
18 Apr 2016, 11:46 pm
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19 Apr 2016, 1:07 am
Yes Yigeren, yes you should!
19 Apr 2016, 1:18 am
zkydz wrote:
Edenthiel wrote:
StarTrekker wrote:
Edenthiel wrote:
StarTrekker wrote:
Don't care that this thread is four months old, it has Star Trek in the title, ergo I am required to post!
I absolutely feel like Seven of Nine. Our problems line up very closely with one another, and her behaviours and thought patterns resonate with me deeply. We're both stiff and formal, and uneasy with responding to emotion, we have to think everything through logically because almost nothing about social "human" behaviour comes instinctively or naturally to us. We share the same rigid need for structure and routine, as well as sensory sensitivities, and the feeling that most people don't really understand us. Seven is my hero.
I absolutely feel like Seven of Nine. Our problems line up very closely with one another, and her behaviours and thought patterns resonate with me deeply. We're both stiff and formal, and uneasy with responding to emotion, we have to think everything through logically because almost nothing about social "human" behaviour comes instinctively or naturally to us. We share the same rigid need for structure and routine, as well as sensory sensitivities, and the feeling that most people don't really understand us. Seven is my hero.
Oh, now I'm going to have to go back and re-watch a few episodes, I must have completely missed all of that. I assumed (from memory, from a time period when I was usually stressed, tired, etc) that she was far more one-dimensional but perhaps I'm wrong? It would be good if you could recommend any episodes you think would change my mind/memories, please. Also, under the assumption that all of that is in fact in the character, I apologize.
To see the depth of character properly, it's best if you see a few episodes from when she first appeared in season 4, then contrast them with a few from season 6 or 7. One of my favourite episodes which clearly contrasts who Seven is after a few years of liberation, and who she was as a Borg, is episode 12 of season 7, "Repentance", in which Seven has to come to terms with the atrocities she committed as a drone when Voyager picks up some stranded aliens who are transporting death row prisoners to their place of execution.
One of my other favourite episodes, "The Raven", season 4 episode 6, gives us a lot of backstory into Seven's past and childhood assimilation; it paints the picture of an individual who has very deep and very real psychological wounds which are too much for her to address emotionally, so she buries them under layers of logic, rationality, and Borg efficiency.
Another episode I love which shows how much of a struggle fitting in with the human crew is for her, and how hard she works at it (read: the episode in which she most clearly represents an aspie trying to fit in as NT) is "Someone to Watch Over Me", season 5 episode 22. Watching her in that episode is actually a little painful for me, because she tries so hard, and everyone still treats her like an outsider and a freak. I know exactly what that's like.
If you want one that shows how far she has come from where she was originally, the two-parter "Dark Frontier", season 5 episodes 15 and 16, does this nicely, when Seven allows herself to be taken hostage by the Borg, of whom she is now (though she would never admit it) more afraid than anything, so the rest of her away team can escape safely.
Seven can come across as one-dimensional at times, seeming nothing more than robotic and logical without a trace of human emotion, but her depth becomes evident over time. She evolves from a "mindless automoton" (B'Elanna's words) who feels nothing for anyone, to a real human being with complex emotions that she is learning to understand and respond to, with the help of the Doctor, Janeway, Naomi Wildman, and the rest of the crew.
I could go on, as there is literally not an episode featuring Seven that I don't like, but that should be enough for you to be getting on with!
Thank you, so much! I'm going to start binging & hopefully I'll find a new appreciation for the series and Seven.
Now, here's what's funny....The biggest, smartest sex symbol on that show....and I have a hard time watching her. There are people in the world whose nose bobs when they speak. It is very distracting to me. I can't stop watching it bob up and down.
Her nose does that. And, it's sharp, which accentuates that action. *shudder*
I know that sounds so bad......Kinda one of the odd things about anatomy being a special interest. The oddest things set me off. Some people I just can hardly stand to look at. Even on TV. I don't know why......The flip side is that I found a few tests that measure the type of people you find attractive. All of them basically said that I liked faces outside of the norm. And, I have always found what most people considered to be beautiful rather bland.
Oh, that's just great. Now I'm going to be binge-watching and all I'll see is the tip of her nose. Bobbing up and down as she talks. For like, four or five seasons worth of episodes.
(don't worry StarTrekker, I'll still give her a fair viewing. I don't mind noses. Lot's of people have them.)
19 Apr 2016, 1:27 am
Edenthiel wrote:
Oh, that's just great. Now I'm going to be binge-watching and all I'll see is the tip of her nose. Bobbing up and down as she talks. For like, four or five seasons worth of episodes.
(don't worry StarTrekker, I'll still give her a fair viewing. I don't mind noses. Lot's of people have them.)
That cracked me up...LOL seriously...I am so punchy these last few days....but, that was funny.....Sorry..... (don't worry StarTrekker, I'll still give her a fair viewing. I don't mind noses. Lot's of people have them.)
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19 Apr 2016, 1:30 am
^ Oh that's good yes, many people do have noses. However, if you're particularly finicky about them, you'd probably like Odo from Deep Space Nine: he's a shapeshifter whose natural appearance is a blob of red jelly-like goo. His primary form is humanoid, but he hasn't perfected creating faces, so he has a much smoother and less nose-like nose than most people. In his goo form, he has no nose at all!
19 Apr 2016, 1:37 am
StarTrekker wrote:
^ Oh that's good yes, many people do have noses. However, if you're particularly finicky about them, you'd probably like Odo from Deep Space Nine: he's a shapeshifter whose natural appearance is a blob of red jelly-like goo. His primary form is humanoid, but he hasn't perfected creating faces, so he has a much smoother and less nose-like nose than most people. In his goo form, he has no nose at all!
No...no...no....LOL yes, many people do have noses. However, if you're particularly finicky about them, you'd probably like Odo from Deep Space Nine: he's a shapeshifter whose natural appearance is a blob of red jelly-like goo. His primary form is humanoid, but he hasn't perfected creating faces, so he has a much smoother and less nose-like nose than most people. In his goo form, he has no nose at all!It's weird...I love noses...I love all anatomy. Even special interests within the special interest. It's just the tethered bob that just bugs me out. I know, it's me.....
But, honestly other than the reverence I have for the original series..I was there and it was truly ground breaking, Deep Space Nine was my overall favourite. But, I really thought 7 was the only good thing about Voyager. Worth the nose thing. LOL
19 Apr 2016, 4:06 am
19 Apr 2016, 4:33 am
StarTrekker wrote:
Yes Yigeren, yes you should!
Yes, I think I will. I'm going to put it on my list of things to watch soon.
And I'm also going to be looking for the nose bobbing now
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