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29 Jun 2019, 1:23 am

I have heard that everyone is a little bit of a narcissist. I have heard the same about Bipolar too and about epilepsy which makes zero sense because I never experience any seizures, ever. Only time I ever had seizures was in 6th grade because of the side affect of the medicine I was on.


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29 Jun 2019, 3:29 am

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Diagnostically it's a threshold, so by that standard you either are or you aren't.
If you meet the criteria for being diagnosed "on the spectrum", you can have greater or lesser traits in multiple areas, but you have to meet the criteria. If you're sub-clinical, you can be allistic with autistic traits, but that's not the same as being "a little bit Autistic". Similarly it's probably fair to say 50(ish)% of the planet is not "a little bit pregnant" just because they have the requisite equipment.

On the other hand, the phrase may also be:
A. A way of saying "You and I aren't so different" without intending to be dismissive/condescending.
B. A way of downplaying the legitimacy of the Autism diagnosis, especially for those of us who don't necessarily present in glaringly apparent ways.


This is spot on. Of course I acknowledge the existence of the BAP, but those who fall into that description need to acknowledge that that's not the same as being diagnosed autistic.

My parents have tried the everyone is a little bit autistic thing on me. It's just another way of them controlling the narrative around my experience, because if we're all essentially more or less the same, they don't need to hear how it isn't.

My dad I would say fits the BAP. It's not clinically significant, but he has a few extra quirks. Has no idea what burnout or a meltdown feels like, so uses the slight overlap of his experience to say I'm the same as him but just choosing to be unreasonable.


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29 Jun 2019, 5:09 am

While I totally agree that not everyone is a bit autistic, I find "no one is a bit autistic, one is either in or out" dismissive towards those in the grey zone of borderline autistic.


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29 Jun 2019, 6:14 am

One friend thinks that he is a bit autistic (he's the most gregarious person I know). He believes in homoeopathy and thinks that autism is caused by vaccination. I'm not insulted by his ignorance and can't be bothered to confront it. I'm secure in my autism (can you say that? :? ) and let it lie.



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29 Jun 2019, 6:19 am

plokijuh wrote:
My dad I would say fits the BAP. It's not clinically significant, but he has a few extra quirks. Has no idea what burnout or a meltdown feels like, so uses the slight overlap of his experience to say I'm the same as him but just choosing to be unreasonable.

I think this relates to
Exuvian wrote:
On the other hand, the phrase may also be:
A. A way of saying "You and I aren't so different" without intending to be dismissive/condescending.
B. A way of downplaying the legitimacy of the Autism diagnosis, especially for those of us who don't necessarily present in glaringly apparent ways.

One can use the similarities to relate to you better or to invalidate your experience.
Your father seems to do the latter.


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29 Jun 2019, 7:41 am

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It doesn't load for me. I guess it's been taken down.


Googling "Chandler and Macleod online test" got me to their web site in two steps. It's not the same as the psychometric institute test.

Are you the only guy who bothered to read my post? The resistance to the truth I find on sites like this is baffling! What is the attraction of being on a "Spectrum" which consists of an ad hoc mixture of unrelated disorders? What Wing proposed in her ignorance is better described as a crock of crud, from which no good will ever arise!



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29 Jun 2019, 8:08 am

magz wrote:
While I totally agree that not everyone is a bit autistic, I find "no one is a bit autistic, one is either in or out" dismissive towards those in the grey zone of borderline autistic.


With a 'yes or no' decision, categorical system , coupled with having to meet a certain threshold, that strikes me as '20 you are 19 but you're not.'

The line between getting a diagnosis and not getting one could be very narrow .



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29 Jun 2019, 8:37 am

firemonkey, as things stand, you are never going to get a diagnosis based on the true meaning of the word autistic! Given how systemically corrupt the “autism research industry” (sic) is, I’d take anything any of them told me with a large pinch of salt. There is simply no longer a connection between this ridiculous “spectrum”, and the true historical meaning of the word autistic.

Having taken both versions, and having studied reports on various aspie sites, over several years, on threads which were often amongst the longest (the test was extremely popular and respected) I can tell you that, however Mickey Mouse the 5 minute test may seem, it is nevertheless consistently accurate and relevant. If you care to post your result, I’ll dig through my old e-mails to see if I can find a match, with the letter scores attached.



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29 Jun 2019, 8:51 am

gwynfryn wrote:
firemonkey wrote:
It doesn't load for me. I guess it's been taken down.


Googling "Chandler and Macleod online test" got me to their web site in two steps. It's not the same as the psychometric institute test.

Are you the only guy who bothered to read my post? The resistance to the truth I find on sites like this is baffling! What is the attraction of being on a "Spectrum" which consists of an ad hoc mixture of unrelated disorders? What Wing proposed in her ignorance is better described as a crock of crud, from which no good will ever arise!




No results found for "Chandler and Macleod online test". Using Google . I think it would help if you explained more fully your reasons for thinking as you do. As it stands you're coming across as a highly opinionated "I know better than all of you" type of person.



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29 Jun 2019, 9:03 am

Historical meanings of "autism" and evolution of the concept:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3757918/

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The concept of autism was coined in 1911 by the German psychiatrist Eugen Bleuler to describe a symptom of the most severe cases of schizophrenia, a concept he had also created. According to Bleuler, autistic thinking was characterized by infantile wishes to avoid unsatisfying realities and replace them with fantasies and hallucinations.
Yes, the current meaning of the word 'autism' is quite distant from its origin.


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29 Jun 2019, 9:07 am

firemonkey I’ve pointed you at the history which you can verify for yourself, if you ever learn how to Google. Why not simply go to the Chandler & Macleod web site and have a look around, or try variants like “five minute online test”?

Having had a readout of the full C&M test that leaves absolutely no doubt that my personality (apart from one blip above average for the Depressive component) is totally dominated by the autistic component, puts me in a rare position to investigate and understand the subject. They also put me in the top one % in all four of the intelligence types tested (which confirms my MENSA score). Given my very high score for analytical ability, and off the top of the page scores for both imagination and creativity, and my willingness to do my own thinking, and check the facts, over and beyond the lies the autism research industry puts out, then yes, I do know a great deal more than most people do, on this subject!



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29 Jun 2019, 9:13 am

gwynfryn wrote:
firemonkey, as things stand, you are never going to get a diagnosis based on the true meaning of the word autistic! Given how systemically corrupt the “autism research industry” (sic) is, I’d take anything any of them told me with a large pinch of salt. There is simply no longer a connection between this ridiculous “spectrum”, and the true historical meaning of the word autistic.




You have yet to give anything near an explanation as to why the "spectrum" is ridiculous. Also you need to back up your claim that autism researchers are 'systemically corrupt' .



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29 Jun 2019, 9:36 am

gwynfryn wrote:
firemonkey I’ve pointed you at the history which you can verify for yourself, if you ever learn how to Google. Why not simply go to the Chandler & Macleod web site and have a look around, or try variants like “five minute online test”?

Having had a readout of the full C&M test that leaves absolutely no doubt that my personality (apart from one blip above average for the Depressive component) is totally dominated by the autistic component, puts me in a rare position to investigate and understand the subject. They also put me in the top one % in all four of the intelligence types tested (which confirms my MENSA score). Given my very high score for analytical ability, and off the top of the page scores for both imagination and creativity, and my willingness to do my own thinking, and check the facts, over and beyond the lies the autism research industry puts out, then yes, I do know a great deal more than most people do, on this subject!


I can probably Google as well as or better than you . I used what you posted in your other post and Google said 'No results' . “five minute online test”? got me to the test. It seems I'm a 'Golden retriever' .

I have to ask,are you bipolar ? Your posts definitely have a manic quality to them .



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29 Jun 2019, 10:06 am

Autism is a spectrum

Some people are zero

Some people are one hundred percent

Some people are in the middle



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01 Jul 2019, 9:51 am

magz wrote:
Historical meanings of "autism" and evolution of the concept:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3757918/
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The concept of autism was coined in 1911 by the German psychiatrist Eugen Bleuler to describe a symptom of the most severe cases of schizophrenia, a concept he had also created. According to Bleuler, autistic thinking was characterized by infantile wishes to avoid unsatisfying realities and replace them with fantasies and hallucinations.
Yes, the current meaning of the word 'autism' is quite distant from its origin.


magz, thanks for that fascinating link! Conclusion; nobody knows what autism is...



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01 Jul 2019, 10:14 am

gwynfryn wrote:
firemonkey wrote:
It doesn't load for me. I guess it's been taken down.


Googling "Chandler and Macleod online test" got me to their web site in two steps. It's not the same as the psychometric institute test.


I got to the web site OK, but no way could I get it too work. Every which way I tried got me a "not authorised" or "page will not open" or similar message. Just as annoyingly, there seems to be no way of contacting them, other than by post.

Did you check out this link (you'll need quite some time to read it all)?

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3757918/

How does it relate to your history of "autistic", which at least has the benefit of being reasonably concrete; the way the link describes how "autism" has been chopped and changed over the past century, seems to make it pretty useless as a label for anything!