Cop to autistic “I will blow your f****** head off, ni***r&q
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Hmm... This happened almost right in my back yard.
Well I looked over the information that is out there about this case.
I see there was an arraignment on the 2nd of August, but does anyone know what happened since then?
It is troublesome incident and I do worry how an aspie would fare in prison. However I do have to look as this as a potential juror(my habit).
It may be that Neli can recall perfectly what the officer said to provoke him, but it has to proven, and unfortunately I don't think there's much of a way to prove that. The back side of North Stafford High where the altercation took place is extremely unlikely to have any collaborating witnesses, especially at the time of the day the incident occurred. I looked the area on Google maps, and the back side of the school and it's surrounded by woods so no one else could have seen what occurred. I suppose it could demonstrated that Neli has perfect recollection in court, but I'm sure the prosecution would just argue he was lying. I think the charges of racism here may be unprovable.
At most, it might be possible to get student's opinions of the officer who served their school since if his racism does exist, it' is possible other black students may have had run-ins with him before. That's the only thing I can think of that would throw weight to the racism charge... and it's not even something that might be permissible in court.
But lets look at what did happen. An officer was injured. That's a big deal to police and they're guaranteed to bring the hammer down on anyone who injures an officer. Unfortunately here too, the case is going to be with the police. If at possible, I'd be more interested in knowing the exact details of the altercation, like how the officer got cut on the head and how his ankle got broken. A lot has already been reported about the pepper spray. I'd be interesting in knowing the exact sequence of events that occurred during the altercation. Who struck who, struck where and so forth. If the police's side of events contradicts somewhere, there may be something to exploit.
At this point though, I would hope they could somehow get the judge to heed the advice of the mental health professionals who suggested that Neli have access to mental counselors to at least help him cope and regain competency when the trial happens.
Personally, IMO, Neli should have complied with the officer irregardless of the officer's comments. I believe since he was trespassing on school property, he had a legal obligation to identify himself when asked. That said, the officer should have let him go once it was determined he had no gun and was identified or escorted off the school grounds.
That said, I know there are crooked cops, there is racism here. So I can't discount that the officer might have tried to provoke Neli due to his race. But it has to proven.
This is why I'm all for people being legally allowed to video tape police in public areas. It helped in a case up in Baltimore where a cop went ballistic on a skateboarder for no good reason. had it not been recorded, the cop would have certainly had gotten away with it. I know it can't be in all cases, but I just kind of wish that was the case here.
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I would not mind an update on how this whole situation is playing out if possible.
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The support website shows that he's a well-built guy with wrestling experience. If he was grabbed from behind, that training probably took over and backfired against the cop. With the very little wrestling experience I've had, it's pretty amazing what you can do with just a little leverage.
Given my own - relatively innocuous - experiences of being on the right hand of the law, this sounds sadly plausible to me.
It isn't confined to the American south, or to autistic people either. We had a similarly sickening case of assault whilst in custody over here a couple of days back:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-wiltshire-11190561
As far as I can tell from the news reports, the woman involved had committed no offence other than having had a couple more drinks than was strictly good for her. And if that in itself was a crime, half the population would be incarcerated, right?
At least the pig responsible was caught, and is expected to face the sack - mainly due to the CCTV evidence in this case being pretty much irrefutable - but legally, I'll bet he gets off with nothing more than a slap on the wrist.
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Neli is still in solitary confinement and slipping away mentally. FOr the person that inquired about what Neli did to the officer; The officer is on record stating that Neli did not cause his head injury nor his ankle injury. Again like I have said before, Neli allowed the officer to search him without incident. No weapon was found because there was none. After a series of verbal harasssment from the officer, Neli decided to walk away because he felt he had done nothing wrong and the police didn't have the right to talk to him that way. That was his Aspie mind kicking in. That is when he walked away and was attacked from behind. The treatment that my son has had to endure in solitaire confinement for 6 months is beyond inhumane. He is locked away with murderers. I don't know when this torture will end.
As far as the alleged racism and abuse during the arrest itself ... at this point, all I see is "he said, she said" ...
I don't pretend that cops are perfect. Incidents like the alleged abuse here DO happen. But let's not all assume that the cops are automatically guilty merely because someone made an accusation ...
I completely agree with this assessment by "another_1". None of us were there. We don't know what happened. But most of the responses I have read are from people who completely believe one side of the story and are too quick to judge the allegedly racist police officer. And look at all the profanity! Those of you who responded with instant judgment, especially those of you who would wish physical harm to the police officer based on the testimony of one person, no matter how reliable a witness he may be, should be ashamed of yourselves. I am thankful that most of you who responded in this way will never sit on a jury for a case of this type. The police officer would never have a chance, as you would have decided on his guilt without hearing even a word of testimony from either side.
I am not excusing the police officer if he did in fact behave as Neli described. If such racist comments were uttered, the officer should be on the street in five minutes looking for another job. If he is also guilty of assaulting a citizen without provocation, he should be dealt with harshly. But I am not ready to pronounce judgment on him, nor am I even thinking about pronouncing judgment on all police officers everywhere because of a couple of bad apples here and there. The bad cops should be put away for a long time if they abuse their law enforcement privileges. But let's not blame ALL cops for the behavior of the few bad ones we actually have. - LJS
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Was he given a bail hearing and was there a preliminary inquiry or arraignment? In Canada, you can hold a person for 24 hours, then they must be brought before a justice of the peace to determine if they can be released on bail. If not they are put into remand and that is only if they are a danger to others.
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I'm guessing open carry of firearms is illegal where you are (it's beside the point that he didn't have one)? I'm assuming the police aren't this dumb, but I've heard of states in the US that allow open carry of firearms (holstered and always kept in a nonthreatening manner).
Seriously though, all this time for...nothing? I can't see the police being this dumb, as you'll get so much money from them for a lawsuit that it's not funny.
You just need a decent lawyer, and you're set (if it's all how it has been written).
Was he given a bail hearing and was there a preliminary inquiry or arraignment? In Canada, you can hold a person for 24 hours, then they must be brought before a justice of the peace to determine if they can be released on bail. If not they are put into remand and that is only if they are a danger to others.
In the United States he should have had a trial also, you can't just hold someone like that.
RIGHT! Danielismyname is wrong about the baiting. If a cop is caught doing it, it will taint the ENTIRE case! look at what happened with O.J. Simpson!! HECK, gates lost his job!
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