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12 Aug 2011, 10:48 pm

Good God I couldn't even watch the whole song 8O I feel like clawing her Botox filled eyes out...

If I was him I'd have f****d her up so bad her nose job would be lodged in the ceiling! :evil:

I am sorry for the obscenity (I dont cuss in real life) but that just about had me sh*****g bricks :oops:


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31 Aug 2011, 3:54 am

I didn't get it.



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31 Aug 2011, 5:26 am

Do you know what, I am NOT classifying ''Aspies lack empathy'' as a symptom of AS. It's a human trait, some humans have it, some humans don't.

If all NTs had empathy, why is there bullying going on today? Why do people with disabilities get picked on? Lord, tell me why?! !! !!


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31 Aug 2011, 5:43 am

I didn't get the laughing part. The boy is asked what does he think of the song and they laugh at his answer. Why? Was he too honest? Was it blunt? Was it the wrong answer? People laugh at things I say too, same as with my answers. But I saw nothing wrong with his answer. I don't mind when people laugh at me. I don't know if they are laughing AT me. I don't know if I said something cute or funny or inappropriate. I used to think no one can tell the difference but they can.

Oh yeah I have wondered if kids were my friend out of pity because I came out of special ed.

It's great people try and do nice things but I guess this is being too nice and being too nice is a bad thing. But am I the only one who liked the song?



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31 Aug 2011, 6:04 am

Joe90 wrote:
Do you know what, I am NOT classifying ''Aspies lack empathy'' as a symptom of AS. It's a human trait, some humans have it, some humans don't.

If all NTs had empathy, why is there bullying going on today? Why do people with disabilities get picked on? Lord, tell me why?! !! !!


Some people believe that only certain people (like them) deserve empathy and don't feel it for those who are not like them. Actually, rather than some I will go out on a limb and say most.



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31 Aug 2011, 8:41 am

Verdandi wrote:
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Do you know what, I am NOT classifying ''Aspies lack empathy'' as a symptom of AS. It's a human trait, some humans have it, some humans don't.

If all NTs had empathy, why is there bullying going on today? Why do people with disabilities get picked on? Lord, tell me why?! !! !!


Some people believe that only certain people (like them) deserve empathy and don't feel it for those who are not like them. Actually, rather than some I will go out on a limb and say most.


OK, but that's the same as us then. We have difficulties with empathy with NTs because we're not NTs like them, just the same as NTs have difficulties with empathy with Aspies because they're not Aspies like us. So, if you put 2 and 2 together, it's all just a human trait.


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31 Aug 2011, 9:33 am

I would have felt it was patronizing too, if I were in Graham's place.

Also all the loud talking and laughter in the last part. I guess it would overload me, so I might cry at that moment instead of quite after the song.
Did they really have to be that loud??

Also all the putting Zack on a pedestal for his heroic goodnes of having befriended a poor all-alone kid is tasteless, I think.
I think the focus should have been more at both boys, after all it takes two to make a friendship and continue it.
If they should have made this show with the two at all.

I think the laughter might be a case of "aw, what a cute / funny thing to say". But that shows they are not taking him seriously.

Graham deserved a gift basket too! He was also heroic, just by meeting up enduring this!



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31 Aug 2011, 10:09 am

I think they never should have done this episode and should have just left the two boys in peace to have their friendship untrammeled by adult intervention. Parents generally don't get all in a flither about their kids' friendships unless it is with someone who is dangerous that they want to protect their kid from. But if things are going well, the usual parental policy is to intervene no farther than to be the ocassional chauffer or visit host. Setting this friendship apart so dramatically may have damaged it. When the adults intervened, they morphed a natural friendship into a favor bestowed by one party that the other party couldn't ever really return. Maybe the boys can go back to what they had before all this. I hope so. But I think they've both been done a disservice.

It is terribly patronizing to the autistic kid because it casts him as somebody nobody would really want to hang around with unless they were looking for spiritual merit points. And it minimizes the friendship feelings of the NT kid because it implies he gets less out of this relationship than the autistic kid and is spending time with him because he ought to, not because he wants to. A negative thing all around.



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31 Aug 2011, 10:41 am

OPEN E-MAIL TO TELE JOURNALISTS

Hello, Tele Journalists. Are you reading this?

The benefits to neurotypicals need to be your focus--not just that tired old disability lament.

Inclusion is a two-way street. If you could receive some disability sensitivity training, you could learn to draw out the neuro-typical kid on benefits of having the opportunity to see the world in a new way through the eyes of someone who uses the lens of autism vision and language.

Emily Dickinson, said, "Tell all the truth. But tell it slant."

How about you journalists learning a new slant on disability reporting?



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31 Aug 2011, 11:18 am

Joe90 wrote:
Verdandi wrote:
Joe90 wrote:
Do you know what, I am NOT classifying ''Aspies lack empathy'' as a symptom of AS. It's a human trait, some humans have it, some humans don't.

If all NTs had empathy, why is there bullying going on today? Why do people with disabilities get picked on? Lord, tell me why?! !! !!


Some people believe that only certain people (like them) deserve empathy and don't feel it for those who are not like them. Actually, rather than some I will go out on a limb and say most.


OK, but that's the same as us then. We have difficulties with empathy with NTs because we're not NTs like them, just the same as NTs have difficulties with empathy with Aspies because they're not Aspies like us. So, if you put 2 and 2 together, it's all just a human trait.


Yes. EVERYONE has a lack of empathy for certain types of people that they cannot relate to. NT's just have more people to choose from.



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31 Aug 2011, 2:44 pm

TheygoMew wrote:
Joe90 wrote:
Verdandi wrote:
Joe90 wrote:
Do you know what, I am NOT classifying ''Aspies lack empathy'' as a symptom of AS. It's a human trait, some humans have it, some humans don't.

If all NTs had empathy, why is there bullying going on today? Why do people with disabilities get picked on? Lord, tell me why?! !! !!


Some people believe that only certain people (like them) deserve empathy and don't feel it for those who are not like them. Actually, rather than some I will go out on a limb and say most.


OK, but that's the same as us then. We have difficulties with empathy with NTs because we're not NTs like them, just the same as NTs have difficulties with empathy with Aspies because they're not Aspies like us. So, if you put 2 and 2 together, it's all just a human trait.


Yes. EVERYONE has a lack of empathy for certain types of people that they cannot relate to. NT's just have more people to choose from.


Yes, that's why it makes it look like we're the ones who lack empathy, because there are more NTs than there are Aspies, so we have more people to have difficulties knowing how they think. But if roughly half the population were Autistic and half were NT, then I don't think that lack of empathy would be in the ASD book. See, some of these ASD traits are more of an illusion against us, just because there are more NTs in the general population, quirks and other typical traits get hidden and just pushed onto not only Autism, but lots of other conditions too.


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31 Aug 2011, 10:21 pm

My own experience is that the people nicest to me have often been the "achievers", the Zach types. Why? It's because a lot of these people told they're special and are also told to value talent and value special capabilities. A lot of AS people do things in a manner that impresses such people. I think that it's very likely that this was such a case and it's inaccurate to hide such things from the audience and instead imply that this was a heroic act based on altruism or even pity. At times it's convenient to bring out the Autistic genius stereotype but this time they decided to go with the poor autistic invalid stereotype and reality is a little more complicated than any of that.



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02 Sep 2011, 11:34 pm

This is proof that NBC does not like autistic people. Why do you think the former chairman of this network and his wife started Autism Speaks? NBC is obviously in on Autism Speaks' ignorance parade against people on the spectrum



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02 Sep 2011, 11:51 pm

I watched the video just two days ago. I couldn't believe how horrible that song was. That boy was holding it together through the entire song. That song was dripping with pity and I can't stand pity. He clearly didn't like the song and he let everybody know in a very serious way. He is a human being. He did not deserve that. Him and his friend should have refused to be on TV. The joke about jazzing the song up was stupid. It could be rap or metal but the words would still be the same, sad and patronizing words. Than Kathy Lee had the nerve to ask the athlete if his friends gave him any flack for befriending the boy. It was too Autism Speakish for me.


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03 Sep 2011, 12:06 am

Too disgusting for words...how KLG and their crew treat Zach like a hero and Graham like he doesn't have feelings. They laugh at him multiple times and give Zach the gift basket with all the goodies and make such a f*****g big deal about putting the Cubs Tix in the basket for both of them to go to a game together. Then, they ask Zach all the 'cool' questions while either virtually ignoring Graham and laughing at him the few times they do give him a chance to speak.

The song was horrid but what was a hundred times worse than the song itself was the way the crew mocked Graham's reaction. Instead of showing empathy for his plight, they joke about 'jazzing up the lyrics'.

And they say, we Aspies lack empathy?



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03 Sep 2011, 12:11 am

Sounds like someone's mommy wants a cookie for her NT son having a pet autistic kid. I bet the NT' kid's mother will include this video clip with her son's college applications show what a great person he is.


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