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Would you like to contribute 49 cents to Autism Speaks?
No 83%  83%  [ 44 ]
Yes 0%  0%  [ 0 ]
I'll stay sat on the fence 17%  17%  [ 9 ]
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12 Apr 2007, 3:05 pm

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no, we were not forced to teach creationism in the elementary schools... just not allowed to teach evolution... not even to say the word..


How odd. We were introduced to evolution in 7th grade science enrichment class in the late 1960s. Just checked my daughter's high school advanced placement biology text, and yep, evolution again. School curricula are formulated by state and local school boards. Not everyone is the US is denied scientific theory.


it is state-to-state... and i am talking about at the elementary school level...apparently OR isn't allowed... at least the district i was in... was sad... even the school board officials weren't all happy about it. i'm not sure what the law is at the highschool level.

and i was teaching in a more rural area... we were allowed to teach the principles but literally could not speak "evolution"... makes it really hard cause everytime you teach anything... there's always a little kid who raises their hand and says, "but my mommy said god made it" or something to that effect...

what's even sadder... was that the classrooms we participated in were on a vlonuteer basis... meaning the teachers wanted us in there teaching and everything... but after getting to know the teachers for 1.5 yrs... i came to realize that even most of them didn't believe in evolution (discovered via personal communication)

edit: for my last paragraph--i guess that could be considered a good trait in the teachers, that despite their personal beliefs... they were at least wanting us to teach the principles


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12 Apr 2007, 6:32 pm

I contribute a picture of myself with punked-up blue hair, holding up a knife. :twisted:



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12 Apr 2007, 6:50 pm

No way!


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12 Apr 2007, 7:09 pm

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I contribute a picture of myself with punked-up blue hair, holding up a knife. :twisted:


Which they'll circulate in their next video. ;)


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12 Apr 2007, 8:28 pm

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ZanneMarie wrote:
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i think this is just a chain mail thing and thus BS... ie- it's not generating money, but is serving as advertisement in a way...

i don't really like autism speaks (the whole "find a cure" deal) and can understand a lot of the resentment associated with it... but it should be understood that this campaign (supporting autism speaks) is a good thing because it does contribute to financing a lot of scientific research on autism...

i work in a neuro department and all the labs here that research autism seem to be associated with autism speaks (i mean that autism speaks seems to fund at least a portion of the lab's research)...

though via talking to the researchers in person, i get the feeling they don't really know about some of the commercials that i've seen directly put out by autism speaks... you know, the ones we all know and hate: mother admitting she'd like to drown her autistic daughter, blah blah blah...

so whatever you think of autism speaks... realize that some good comes out of it. and not all research is geared towards finding a cure... simply having knowledge of how something works is vital to helping those already with it...

so in this sense... i kinda support autism speaks... i just have issues with their methods of advertisements... think they go a little extreme in some of their views... but meh, how else to you get your point across to the masses (that for the most part, are idiots)?



For me, it worked the opposite. I lost all respect for research funded by them (in part or whole) and the Neurologists involved. That was the end of me even thinking of going to a Neurologist for a diagnosis. They are not going to fund anything that puts any positive light on Autism because they have an agenda. Instead, what will happen is that they will hold research ransom and look for a slant to further there goals. You work in the field (as does my brother) so you know that funding and grants are very political. They go in to prove their theories and they won't get money for theories that don't back Autism Speaks' agenda. Aftetr all, the idiot mother and her boss run that organization so they won't be giving money to researchers who don't say what they want to hear because they have control of approval. That doesn't get it for me, although I'm completely aware that all research works this way.


the people i'm refferring to, who are getting these Autism Speak grants for research, are not considered neurologists (you would NEVER go to these people for a DX; they have no waiting rooms, just incubators and freezers and shakers and molecular things)... i think you are just confusing the actual role of a neurologist (who is a pyschological researcher) versus a biological researcher... which is what i'm talking about.

the scientists im tlaking about research many things... their labs do not soley research autism

autism speaks is just one of many grants that funds their labs

they take governmnet money anywhere they can get it there's nothing personal attatched to it. like i said, "some" aren't even aware of the media perspective.... these biologists are much more removed from the media aspect than are neurologists.

it's more functional research not "cure research" or patient treatment... im talkin running rats through mazes and slicing brains... rats are the only patients these scientists see.

attatching your personal views is ok (and is certainly valid when choosing a pyschologist or w/e) but doing that won't be in the best interests of understanding the biological impact of autism on a molecular/physiological level....

edit: keep finding all sorts of errors!


I have a neurologist/researcher friend and he's told me a bit about the situation as he sees it (so mind you this is just second hand info from me, take it as you will). He is mainly into neuropathology and he studies autism. However, his work doesn't focus on cure but rather dissecting the etiology of ASDs. Unfortunately, from what he tells me, since Autism Speaks and CAN have grown so large and are dictating SO much of where the $$$ goes, that nowadays very few researchers can actually get grants for doing work-- even if it is focusing on "cure" because just a few larger organizations and individuals are getting the bulk of the funding. He said in this last round of grants from the NIH, only a total of 3 grants out of 74 were okayed. I don't know what the usual number is but he assurred me that number was very small indeed.

This is and will also be an issue for me, as I'm just starting out in my research career on ASDs and I would also like to figure out what makes us tick rather than how we can be cured (although sometimes it may be hard to separate the two; one may invariably lead to another).

But if what my friend says is true, then this does not bode well for the autism OR scientific communities because then fewer and fewer researchers will be getting funding and therefore studying ASDs and much more of this research will continue to focus solely on curing rather than improving quality of life. And the delegation of this money seems to be largely dictacted by these enormous parental organizations who have so much monitary sway. (Why did the Combat Autism bill pass through Congress? Well, it was certainly helpful to have LOADS of money to pay the lobbying firms who could then put money into the pockets of congressmen.)

By and large, these large parent organizations are having a widespread effect, and I don't think the majority of this is having a positive effect on the lives of we auties young and old.


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