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04 Dec 2011, 7:54 am

Stop being wrong people, the generalisations are driving me nuts. People are people, its a fekkin spectrum.

People keep saying researchers are wrong, posters are wrong, Aspies are like this and that, cos they themselves are like this and that. There is no self-doubt.

People keep saying NTs are like this and that, cos they know NTs that are like this and that.

I just want people to understand each other. I want the world to understand autistics, for research to help people, for every to be loved, valued and respected. I want social justice.

How can progress happen, when intelligent people can be so certain their own experiences extrapolate to all Aspies and all NTs? Its breaking my heart. Its bad out there in the real world, its depressing to see it here.

It is so simple. People have good and bad traits - whether neuro-typicals or aspies. NTs and Aspies fit within spectra of traits. Think spectra. Talk spectra. Believe spectra. Argue spectra. Look for spectra. Confirm spectra.

Keep an open mind? Some folk simply can't read it when someone says thats not their experience. They can only read stuff that confirms their views, the rest goes out of focus. They have no self-doubt to drive them to learn a different picture.

I understand the bitterness towards NTs but its f*****g up the progress.
Its driving me nuts because it means people will never be happy, I want people to be happy. I need a holiday.



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04 Dec 2011, 7:58 am

:hail: :hail: :hail: :D


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04 Dec 2011, 8:36 am

Sorry, am I sounding like an a***hole?
I dont mean to, I'm just frustrated.



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04 Dec 2011, 8:53 am

No. That was meant as enthusiastic agreement and I just drew a blank on the words. I've been thinking along the same lines.

I'd like to add that NT's don't read minds. They don't have some magical ability to know what to do in all social situations. Life isn't a bed of roses while it sucks for us. If they really could communicate all that well there'd be no need for therapists, wars, politics, sit-coms or soap operas.


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04 Dec 2011, 9:34 am

pastafarian wrote:
People are people, its a fekkin spectrum. its f***ing up the progress. Its driving me nuts because it means people will never be happy, I want people to be happy. I need a holiday.


well said



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04 Dec 2011, 1:20 pm

I'm in total agreement with the overall sentiment of what you've said. Well said. There is a lot of overboard generalization.

Sometimes though, generalizing can be helpful in getting one's point and, more importantly, perspective across. Too much is not good though. A little, if the speaker is clear that it's generalizing, or the generalization can be easily inferred, can be fine.

NT's are... or Aspies are... is troublesome.

NT's tend to... or Aspies tend to... are still generalizations, but not absolute statements. I don't have a problem with that.


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04 Dec 2011, 1:27 pm

I have a question!

Are traits good and bad in themselves or does it really depend on how those traits are either used and/or how they interact with other traits as to whether they garner positive or negative results in life?

People love to label things as good or bad and I have to question that. Are many things really good and bad within themselves or does it depend on how they are used and how they combine with other factors and variables in certain contexts as to whether they are useful or not...

Not only can it depends on how and when a certain trait surfaces but it can also depend on how others perceive it...perception varies and to some what is a negative thing can be a positive thing for others.

Ie I can be obsessive...bad if I become obsessed with something in a way that is not productive...very good if I can channel my obsessive tendencies into something useful! Can we all say persistent and diligent?

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04 Dec 2011, 2:58 pm

There's something good and something bad to be gained out of everything and even before other traits and viewpoints come into play. Opinions don't make things have good or bad attributes and it's not necessary to discover a good or bad side to a thing. It's just needed not to deny the existence of something that

What I mean is, nobody needs to learn to figure out and discover good/bad sides in things. People need to learn to stop ignoring things that are super obvious. Some things get ignored because they doesn't fit into people's idea of "what should be", of "what everybody can enjoy and nobody can enjoy" and of "which traits everybody thinks are either desirable or detestable".


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04 Dec 2011, 3:12 pm

bumble wrote:

Are traits good and bad in themselves or does it really depend on how those traits are either used and/or how they interact with other traits as to whether they garner positive or negative results in life?
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You are totally right. They are often presented as good or bad, and people presented as 2 dimensional.



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04 Dec 2011, 3:30 pm

pastafarian wrote:
Stop being wrong people, the generalisations are driving me nuts. People are people, its a fekkin spectrum.

People keep saying researchers are wrong, posters are wrong, Aspies are like this and that, cos they themselves are like this and that. There is no self-doubt.

People keep saying NTs are like this and that, cos they know NTs that are like this and that.

I just want people to understand each other. I want the world to understand autistics, for research to help people, for every to be loved, valued and respected. I want social justice.

How can progress happen, when intelligent people can be so certain their own experiences extrapolate to all Aspies and all NTs? Its breaking my heart. Its bad out there in the real world, its depressing to see it here.

It is so simple. People have good and bad traits - whether neuro-typicals or aspies. NTs and Aspies fit within spectra of traits. Think spectra. Talk spectra. Believe spectra. Argue spectra. Look for spectra. Confirm spectra.

Keep an open mind? Some folk simply can't read it when someone says thats not their experience. They can only read stuff that confirms their views, the rest goes out of focus. They have no self-doubt to drive them to learn a different picture.

I understand the bitterness towards NTs but its f***ing up the progress.
Its driving me nuts because it means people will never be happy, I want people to be happy. I need a holiday.


If you're trying to say you're pissed off with people here splitting Aspies and NTs up into completely opposite groups and adding more ''traits'' to Autism what are never even heard of and what are just as commin in neurotypicals as it is anybody, then I agree 100 percent with you. :D

Lately WP has been depressing me. It's made me feel more different to what I really am, and it's somehow worried me and has made me believe that nobody will ever like me, apart from family. In one of the posts I read a few months back, someone wrote ''you will always make people tut and sigh and turn you away, no matter how easy you think you can relate to people''. That had scared the s**t out of me, and I almost wanted to kill myself because of it.

But I've made myself stop believing all that s**t. What happens to one Aspie may not happen to another. I'm going to believe what I see, and not what I don't see. From now on, I'm only going to believe everything that is put in front of my eyes, because if I don't then I will be wondering and worrying for the rest of my life. People have always criticised me into looking on the bright side of life instead of spending my days whining and moping, and so this is what I'm trying to do.


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04 Dec 2011, 3:48 pm

Every time there's a topic on movies about people with AS, someone complains about how the portrayal in Adam or Mozart and the Whale or whatever is very inaccurate. I always respond by pointing out to them that it's an autism spectrum disorder and not everyone is the same, and people respond negatively when I do this. The last time I did it, someone (can't remember who) called me "condescending." Not for the way I said it, but simply for the fact that I was pointing out that it's a spectrum and that not everyone is the same. And now pasta comes along and says exactly what I've been saying, and people are bowing down to her? :?

Oh well. Nice to see the tide has changed, I guess.



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04 Dec 2011, 4:09 pm

I thought this thread was about James Bond and secret volcano hideouts.



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04 Dec 2011, 4:20 pm

pastafarian wrote:
Stop being wrong people


Haha. Bad people! Dirty people! In your bed!



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04 Dec 2011, 4:50 pm

fraac wrote:
pastafarian wrote:
Stop being wrong people


Haha. Bad people! Dirty people! In your bed!


Yeah yeah I know, I knew I sounded like a pompous nob-end :oops: Was just having a moment.



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04 Dec 2011, 5:14 pm

Joe90 wrote:


If you're trying to say you're pissed off with people here splitting Aspies and NTs up into completely opposite groups and adding more ''traits'' to Autism what are never even heard of and what are just as commin in neurotypicals as it is anybody, then I agree 100 percent with you. :D

..........It's made me feel more different to what I really am.


Don't feel sad, you are first and foremost a sensitive empathetic young woman and you should be proud of that.

But yes, there is a world of people (NT + Aspie + all others), wonderfully, complicated, diverse human beings, with massively complex personalities with layers of traits from experience, genetics, evolution, culture, environment all intermingling and interfering.



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04 Dec 2011, 5:25 pm

I am really new to all this. I never even heard the term "neuro-typical" until a few weeks ago. When I am talking about NTs, I am talking about my experiences with "most people" who are different from me in ways I don't fully understand yet. I am not trying to make sweeping generalizations, I am just trying to figure it all out.