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01 Mar 2014, 11:10 am

I've gotten into a lot of fights at school over the past few years and have been suspended because of them. Sometimes, my reasoning for them is good, sometimes not. My consuelor said it was because of my fight/flight sense.

What does that mean?


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01 Mar 2014, 12:05 pm

The "fight or flight" response is a term given to the effects of the release of adrenaline in the body, when a person feels fear or even stress in a situation. Adrenaline gets released in order to get you ready to either get away from the perceived threat as fast as possible -- even gearing up the muscles to perform better in that task, if physically performed -- or to stand your ground and confront the threat with enough aggression to win the battle if necessary.

It's one of the tools our brains and bodies still have from literally "caveman" days when we had to deal with physical threat in the form of attack from both fellow humans and wild animals. Trouble is, we now have this response in reaction to more mental and emotional stress factors such as arguments with other people, and other modern stressors.

Maybe your counselor means that you tend to experience your school environment and the people you deal with there as stressful enough to trigger adrenaline, and your response is to become combative as a defence mechanism?

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01 Mar 2014, 2:30 pm

I go into fight/ flight mode a lot. Increase adrenalin and it makes me go to a point where I can't think, brain shuts down, have a hard time talking and express my thoughts more than normal. It happens pretty often but happened more often when I was around lots of people, and there was bright lights and load noises. I have been put on a beta-blocker to decrease adrenaline and seems to be helping still anxious but not going into fight flight mode as much. Flight is more common then fight. There's also a freeze response I've done that before to and it's a horrible feeling because all this pent up adrenaline and no way to release it, and stimming tends to happen then or other behaviours such as self harm, eating disorder, substance use, because I hate the pressure it feels like, it literally feels like my heart is going to explode but it doesn't, its scary and I hate that sensation so much.


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01 Mar 2014, 2:45 pm

I love the adrenaline what I get with the fight or flight thingy.


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01 Mar 2014, 2:52 pm

It makes me feel very alive.
Although it does arrive at weird times sometimes.
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01 Mar 2014, 3:17 pm

Adrenaline is good if you are actually going to fight or flight but it's when you get a freeze response and you can't find a way to release the adrenalin that it causes problems at least for me. Imagine all that built up adrenalin you are using to fight someone or run away but the inability to do either of those and no way to release it, I hate it, I have been known to self harm in order to release that energy that is build up because it's so uncomfortable.


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01 Mar 2014, 7:09 pm

I think many of my anxious reactions could be described as fight or flight. Just because something unexpected happened or someone said the wrong thing I will become very stressed and globally unable to communicate. I usually do not actually fight or flight (although I have a strong urge to flee) but I remain very still and tense, and most significantly I remain focused on the present moment and can't think about anything else. That is what makes me describe it as "fight or flight" like.

Maybe some betablockers could help me, I never thought of that. I should discuss it with my doctor.


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01 Mar 2014, 10:29 pm

pinkgurl87 wrote:
Adrenaline is good if you are actually going to fight or flight but it's when you get a freeze response and you can't find a way to release the adrenalin that it causes problems at least for me. Imagine all that built up adrenalin you are using to fight someone or run away but the inability to do either of those and no way to release it, I hate it, I have been known to self harm in order to release that energy that is build up because it's so uncomfortable.


Is it possible to go into fight mode and then into freeze mode? I tend to freeze, then I lash out (after telling myself not to over and over) then i realize I lash out and then I freeze again. My body hurts so much and I often distort my face and hands due to all the pressure.



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01 Mar 2014, 10:36 pm

Oh yea it is possible to switch in between fight flight and freeze. Like it's originally used for a survival method. Let say a person runs into a tiger the adrenaline rush will give him the power to either fight or flight to get out of the situation. Some situations call for freezing, playing dead, for example if you are being attacked by a bear it is safer I think to freeze then to try to run or fight. Also in a traumatic experience, say someone is being abused , they may freeze at the moment because it's a way of protecting themselves because they are afraid of what will happen if they try to run away or fight back. Lets say someone is freezing out of fear but than there abuser goes to the bathroom then it could switch into flight mode and the person tries to get out of the situation as fast as possible.

Now having said that a lot of times are fight, flight, freeze happens in non dangerous situations, say when we are in a social situation, but it is triggering the part the brain that is used for survival, but it is over activated in situations that are not dangerous but it feels like it is dangerous, ie. panic attack= feels like your going to die. If the adrenaline builds up and say you are in the freeze state you will want to find a way to release it because you body at that point is preparing yourself to either fight or flight. So if the opportunity arises to do either of those you will likely take it. A lot of times the freeze response can be a way to stay safe until the ability to fight or flight arrives.


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01 Mar 2014, 10:38 pm

BirdInFlight wrote:
The "fight or flight" response is a term given to the effects of the release of adrenaline in the body, when a person feels fear or even stress in a situation. Adrenaline gets released in order to get you ready to either get away from the perceived threat as fast as possible -- even gearing up the muscles to perform better in that task, if physically performed -- or to stand your ground and confront the threat with enough aggression to win the battle if necessary.

It's one of the tools our brains and bodies still have from literally "caveman" days when we had to deal with physical threat in the form of attack from both fellow humans and wild animals. Trouble is, we now have this response in reaction to more mental and emotional stress factors such as arguments with other people, and other modern stressors.

Maybe your counselor means that you tend to experience your school environment and the people you deal with there as stressful enough to trigger adrenaline, and your response is to become combative as a defence mechanism?


In addition, I suppose someone could take it to an extreme and always fight even when it would be better to run or always run when it would be better to fight. I don't know precisely what the OP is facing at school - if it's physical attacks, taunting, arguments, or something else - but it sounds to me like that's what's happening.



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01 Mar 2014, 10:41 pm

pinkgurl87 wrote:
Oh yea it is possible to switch in between fight flight and freeze. Like it's originally used for a survival method. Let say a person runs into a tiger the adrenaline rush will give him the power to either fight or flight to get out of the situation. Some situations call for freezing, playing dead, for example if you are being attacked by a bear it is safer I think to freeze then to try to run or fight. Also in a traumatic experience, say someone is being abused , they may freeze at the moment because it's a way of protecting themselves because they are afraid of what will happen if they try to run away or fight back. Lets say someone is freezing out of fear but than there abuser goes to the bathroom then it could switch into flight mode and the person tries to get out of the situation as fast as possible.

Now having said that a lot of times are fight, flight, freeze happens in non dangerous situations, say when we are in a social situation, but it is triggering the part the brain that is used for survival, but it is over activated in situations that are not dangerous but it feels like it is dangerous, ie. panic attack= feels like your going to die. If the adrenaline builds up and say you are in the freeze state you will want to find a way to release it because you body at that point is preparing yourself to either fight or flight. So if the opportunity arises to do either of those you will likely take it. A lot of times the freeze response can be a way to stay safe until the ability to fight or flight arrives.


I think I do this. Mine is usually brought on by social. Very interesting. Thank you.



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01 Mar 2014, 10:50 pm

coffeebean wrote:
BirdInFlight wrote:
The "fight or flight" response is a term given to the effects of the release of adrenaline in the body, when a person feels fear or even stress in a situation. Adrenaline gets released in order to get you ready to either get away from the perceived threat as fast as possible -- even gearing up the muscles to perform better in that task, if physically performed -- or to stand your ground and confront the threat with enough aggression to win the battle if necessary.

It's one of the tools our brains and bodies still have from literally "caveman" days when we had to deal with physical threat in the form of attack from both fellow humans and wild animals. Trouble is, we now have this response in reaction to more mental and emotional stress factors such as arguments with other people, and other modern stressors.

Maybe your counselor means that you tend to experience your school environment and the people you deal with there as stressful enough to trigger adrenaline, and your response is to become combative as a defence mechanism?


In addition, I suppose someone could take it to an extreme and always fight even when it would be better to run or always run when it would be better to fight. I don't know precisely what the OP is facing at school - if it's physical attacks, taunting, arguments, or something else - but it sounds to me like that's what's happening.


Well the brain tends to do stuff it is familiar with. So say if you are used to fighting when you are in a certain situation it is very likely it will happen again, even if it makes more logical sense to run away. The fight, flight, freeze response occurs but isn't always the best for the situation, you may freeze when you should run or fight or visa/ versa. This response comes from what they like to call the primitive part of the brain, or the reptilian brain, it's the part of our brain that is the same as reptiles. Reptiles don't think about their responses they just go into automatic mode when in danger and that is the part of the brain that is activated when you go into that mode. Though fortunately the human brain has other parts one being the executive function which is basically what allows us to think stuff over and use logic, but when we are in a situation where we hit fight flight mode the executive function part of the brain shuts off because it is preparing to put all of the extra energy the body has into fighting or fleeing, which is why it is really really hard to think when you are flight/ fight mode.

I've looked at this a lot, well ... psychology is one of my special interests, I could talk about this stuff for hours but not going too.


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