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LupaLuna
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23 Dec 2014, 2:28 am

I have been studying my own social behavior with a fine toothpick even since I found out I had AS. One of the things I find myself doing is trying to use some NT that I know as a friend and have relationship with as a proxy to communicate with other NT's that I don't know. For example. If I'm with a group of people and one of them is a friend and the others are just strangers. I will try to use my friend to try and tell me what the other in the group are doing. Do any of you find yourselves doing this as well?



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23 Dec 2014, 2:40 am

I had one back in 1st year high school. She was one of the very few best friends I had in my life. She's practically a popular NT (who befriended me) and an honor student, plus has more brains than I'm, minus the typical teenage drama behavior. She's practically more sensitive than I'm, up to the point I became her sort-off a bodyguard against certain harassers (due to her popularity). It's a huge plus that time, she was practically the 'leader', so it was very easy to request to her.
I don't know if she has experiences with any forms of autism, but I'm sure she's not some 'people user' that I kept seeing everyday during those days. She simply knows why I'm annoyed, and ignoring my body language that people are putting off.
She left a year after, which is the worst. :( After that, it was the worst year of my current life.


Right now, my mom is. Sometimes my sister. Except sometimes they're doing it wrong but ah well.


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23 Dec 2014, 4:08 am

Oh yes. For me it's my cousin. Even on forums he's fielded stuff for me. What you really have is an interpreter.



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23 Dec 2014, 11:06 am

Definitely yes - my wife.


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23 Dec 2014, 11:26 am

eggheadjr wrote:
Definitely yes - my wife.


Same here.



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23 Dec 2014, 11:28 am

I guess....if I was more motivated to be "social".... that my wife might serve as a sort of "proxy."



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23 Dec 2014, 8:10 pm

Yes, in situations that in any way feel like a confrontation, because I can't stand that and it makes me very uncomfortable and agitated.



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23 Dec 2014, 8:25 pm

My wife doesn't serve as a proxy in our arguments; rather, she IS the "other side." :wink:



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23 Dec 2014, 8:27 pm

Yes. I have three. My therapist, my sister, and my Dad. My therapist is my proxy for dealing with the healthcare/government stuff having to do with my therapy and Case Management. My Dad tries to help me with the daily stuff. My sister does what my Dad can not or will not. I may have a fourth after meeting with Case Management after the holidays. Appointment yet to be set.


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23 Dec 2014, 9:15 pm

Yes! I ask people I know for information on people I don't know so well. People sometimes perceive it as being nosey, but really it's a way for me to find out whether someone can be trusted or not. I've been burned in the
past by people, who I thought were being nice to me but we're actually making fun of me. By asking people with normal social skills about someone else, it allows me to find out what kind of person they are.



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24 Dec 2014, 2:57 am

Proxies can help, though the best solution is to learn how to analyze NT behavior. I think 'Emotions Revealed by Ekman is a great book to start with.


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24 Dec 2014, 3:49 am

Absolutely. My best friend is my interpreter and often helps me deal with NT stuff that just makes no sense at all.


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24 Dec 2014, 8:45 am

ralphd wrote:
Proxies can help, though the best solution is to learn how to analyze NT behavior. I think 'Emotions Revealed by Ekman is a great book to start with.


I don't think this is realistic.

In real time, in a social situation? Not going to happen in a meaningful way.

E.g., a party 15-20 people distributed through a number of rooms and perhaps a yard or rooftop. If I go with my wife, when we approach people together, I get an idea from her of who is who and what's going on. If I am alone, I look for someone I know that I can focus in on, or I am lost and try to put on a smile while I circulate aimlessly unable to join in conversation or connect. There isn't enough of a sense of what is going with other people there to analyze.

When I do get to focus in on people, I see them having reactions and so on, but I don't reliably know what they mean. When I analyze the gestures, body language and facial expressions that I perceive, l often subsequently learn that my reading was incorrect. A lot of NT people are bad at this too, which is part of the reason there is so much asinine conflict in the world, but most people seem to be part of a flow of social communication that I am not ever part of. When we do things together, my wife is my interpreter for this other world.



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24 Dec 2014, 9:06 am

No, I usually try to do everything myself, whether I have the skill or not. If somebody else has to speak for me, I feel cheated out of my right to behave like an adult. I'm not saying I'm right, just perfectionist and annoyingly independent.



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24 Dec 2014, 10:07 am

ToughDiamond wrote:
No, I usually try to do everything myself, whether I have the skill or not. If somebody else has to speak for me, I feel cheated out of my right to behave like an adult. I'm not saying I'm right, just perfectionist and annoyingly independent.


Remind me never to fly in a plane with you!

Joking aside, your concept of "behaving like an adult" kind of pisses me off and seems warped.

It pisses me off because I depend on other people and I am an adult. I am 49 years old. I have two children who are about to be teenagers. I have a house. I have a car which I drive skillfully. I have been at my job for decades.

Nevertheless, I have real problems that I have struggled with all my life. At times that struggle has been desperate. I am not doing as well as I would be in multiple areas of life if I did not have these problems and because of them I would not have any of the positions, possessions or relationships that I have struggled for without help. Help from my wife. Help from my Uncle. Help from the aspergian boss at work who understood me better than I did and tried to tell me about my autism a decade before I finally worked it out for myself.

Needing this help does not equate to being childish or less of an adult.

It's probably unfair of me to read that sense into your post, but I did have this emotional reaction and thought it might be worth sharing. You are right to be proud of yourself for struggling to do things you have difficulty with.

But don't disrespect people who need help. I don't believe other people have worked harder than I have. I earned what I have achieved through intensely hard work over sustained periods.

Only a fool denies expertise. unless you are an accountant or have the most basic finances and enjoy forms, you should not do your own taxes. You should never represent yourself in court. You should not attempt to fly an aircraft without the appropriate training, certificates and ratings. No one considers it a weakness to rely on such expertise.

Likewise, NT families help their children transition in adulthood in many ways, including all kinds of help. Most young adults cannot pay for college tuition, for example. Many are given advice and introductions into the professional world. None of this makes them less than "adult."

Sometimes my wife does speak for me, and I appreciate her help. More often I know that I just have no idea what is going on and she explains it to me--stuff like marriages that are breaking up or who likes and does not like who among a group. I just don't see it most of the time and she does--nonetheless, I am not a child.



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24 Dec 2014, 11:00 am

It is not too often that I am working my way into a new group of people. When it happens, though, my husband is a help to me. He helps me keep track of names and tells me who goes together (married couples, parents/kids, etc.) I often cannot keep this information straight for quite a while.

It also seems that he is able to pick up tidbits of information somewhat better than I am and will pass it along. However, I am the one who tends to have better intuition about the character of a person (not always, but usually). This only works, though, if I am not in the midst of conversation with the person and have an opportunity to quietly observe and do some reasoning.