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17 Jan 2015, 1:40 am

I'm pretty sure he was autistic. I'll try to list the stuff here that makes me think he was on the spectrum, but I may not remember everything at this moment. So I'll add more later if something else comes to me that I forgot.

1. He had difficulty making friends as a child, and was always made fun of and left out. He was apparently very quiet. He ended up dropping out of school at age 10 to pursue music fully.

2. He never took any notice of his appearance, and was always filthy. Apparently he would never change his clothes, and would put on the same clothes until someone secretly replaced them with something new, which he would put on the next morning, seemingly not even noticing the change.

3. Routine. Every night he would go to bed at precisely 10:00, and wake up the next morning before everyone else. Then he would count out exactly 60 beans of coffee (he would stand there counting them one by one). There's more but I forget.

4. He had certain rituals. Before composing, he would always dump a bucket of water over his head. Eventually the water started to leave a hole in the floor of his apartment.

5. He had horrible handwriting.

5. He was very extremely clumsy, and would knock over or break anything he touched. Literally.

6. He had an usually large head.

7. He was emotionally immature, and screamed at everyone. Very scary to be around. I'm bad at describing, but you should watch "the genius of Beethoven" to get a sense of how extreme this was (it's on youtube).

8. When you talked to him, apparently he would go on and on on a subject and you couldn't get a word in.

9. was unable to take care of himself. Near the end of his life, especially, he needed others for the most simple things, even to make him take baths.

10. Horrible manners. Here is one such example (there are lots):
"Goethe positioned himself in front of the Empress and as she passed executed a deep bow. Beethoven pushed his top hat firmly on the back of his head, crossed his arms and strode past the Empress, intentionally snubbing her. Goethe was appalled, and their friendship was irretrievably damaged."

11. One day he was walking through the woods near his house, and eventually got lost and came upon another town. He then started peering through everyone's windows to get a sense of the architecture or something so he could know where he was. He was arrested because of complaints of a "homeless man" peering through windows.

12. Horrible stomach problems his whole life (the eventual cause of his death). Maybe the reason for his deafness too. His favorite food was pasta with a cheese sauce (basically mac and cheese I guess).

Sorry If this is boring to you, I obviously have an obsession over Beethoven. Just thought it was interesting though. I know there's more... but I can't think right now so maybe I'll remember some another time.



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17 Jan 2015, 1:46 am

Ryan358 wrote:
6. He had an usually large head.

I wasn't aware this was an autistic trait.


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17 Jan 2015, 1:54 am

Raleigh wrote:
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6. He had an usually large head.

I wasn't aware this was an autistic trait.


Idk, just thought I'd mention it since it seems to be common with autistic people. I guess it was silly to put in though... just ignore that part



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17 Jan 2015, 1:57 am

I'm not saying it's not true. Just that I've never seen it as an autistic trait before. I had to go and look at the head sizes of the three Aspies I live with. You may be right.


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17 Jan 2015, 2:14 am

Do we know what the Beethoven was like as a baby and young child?. If you do not know that you can't know.


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17 Jan 2015, 2:26 am

ASPartOfMe wrote:
Do we know what the Beethoven was like as a baby and young child?. If you do not know that you can't know.


What else would it be though? I seem to see a lot of stuff on the possibility of him having bipolar, but autism just makes more sense to me. Not saying he couldn't have been bipolar as well...



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17 Jan 2015, 2:54 am

Ryan358 wrote:
ASPartOfMe wrote:
Do we know what the Beethoven was like as a baby and young child?. If you do not know that you can't know.


What else would it be though? I seem to see a lot of stuff on the possibility of him having bipolar, but autism just makes more sense to me. Not saying he couldn't have been bipolar as well...


It it developed later in childhood it was not autism. The best you can say is I really think he was


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17 Jan 2015, 3:21 am

ASPartOfMe wrote:
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ASPartOfMe wrote:
Do we know what the Beethoven was like as a baby and young child?. If you do not know that you can't know.


What else would it be though? I seem to see a lot of stuff on the possibility of him having bipolar, but autism just makes more sense to me. Not saying he couldn't have been bipolar as well...


It it developed later in childhood it was not autism. The best you can say is I really think he was


That is what i'm saying...



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17 Jan 2015, 3:38 am

While I'm convinced that Mozart was autistic, I'm not as convinced that Beethoven was.

It's just that from the age of three, Beethoven's drunken musician father sat him at the family piano for several hours a day seven days a week in hope of turning him into another child protege in the mould of Mozart. A normal human being treated that way is going to turn into a strange adult, which would explain much of Beethoven's behaviour.



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17 Jan 2015, 4:23 am

There are many conditions in humans that can cause eccentric behavior. Autism is not the only one, and yet for some reason, people on this forum love to play psychologist and diagnose every famous person with autism.