I think lying is like breathing for neurotypical

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Most neurotypicals will find some info to be false, but would just be amused.

For example, in bible jesus turn water into wine. At the end of the bible the party goers would say people give best wine first and when people are drunk they give less wine.

are drunk. Look at that word. The greek word is mehtiosin. Which mean drunk.

That is. In typical jewish party, people drink alcoholic wine, and then we expect some if not most of them to be drunk.

However, out of political correctness most bible translation would translate that as have drunk satisfiedly.

http://biblehub.com/greek/methustho_sin_3184.htm

Notice that the word methustho_sin is translated differently to avoid implication that Jesus gets people drunk

However, if you tried to ask that in http://hermeneutics.stackexchange.com/ people would repeatedly call you hostile.

You're asking a simple honest question

http://hermeneutics.stackexchange.com/q ... t-john-210

Then every other follow up questions are flagged down with various excuses. Things like it's similar question being antagonistic, etc.

It's as if motives shape people believes far more than data at hand.

*claps*

have a nice day. i will make sure you do.

I'm not religious so I won't address the example given specifically, but I think what we see as lying is just part and parcel of attempting to live in social settings. Humans are VERY social. Even many ASD people are more social than truly antisocial animals (who may attack and kill one another on sight). I mean we're here talking to hundreds of other people. That itself is social.

But being in a social setting means not stepping on toes. It's an evolutionary development, IMO. We require one another in various ways in order to survive. Human beings, no matter what "loners" they may be, have throughout history had much better luck surviving in groups than entirely alone. So humans tend to use a lot of analogies, metaphors, etc. rather than coming right out with things. (Another thing that I believe figures into that is the fact that words themselves are symbols, so language overall tends to be symbolic.)

I don't think of NT interaction as lying (or our own interaction, for that matter). I think of it as sort of a dance. If you wanted to physically hold someone else you wouldn't go up, plow the person down and paw him or her. But asking for a dance is acceptable. Because it communicates more than "I want to touch you and move along with you." It also communicates "I don't intend to harm you," "I am interested in knowing you better," "We like the same things" (the specific song, for example), etc. Language interaction is also a dance. Generally people don't plow one another down with their words. I don't randomly tell people I pass on the street "awful dress" or "that beard is gnarly" or "you're fat," for example. Instead, I say "hello" and communicate acceptance by smiling. In a way, that's a lie of omission. And they do the same for me. It's just the nature of interacting.

To me, lying is a very very gross evil. However, in neurotypical words, lying is expected and tolerated. Acting based on their lie and then lost money and b***h about it is what's considered wrong.

For example, you buy a clothes. Sellers are expected to lie. Sellers can for example says, I bought this clothes for $1k, I can only sell that at $1.001k. You bought the clothes and you saw someone else selling the same clothes for $20. Should you be mad?

What about a slightly different scenario.

My lawyer told me that we got a contract where I have to pay $4k for "finishing" monetary split to my ex wife. The thing is, in indonesian court, such settlement are not decided during divorce proceeding. Such settlement is decided after the divorce is over. After the divorce is over, my wife could sue me for her "share".

I wasn't told that and spend so much money to protect my wealth.

Is the lawyer doing okay?

Most neurotypicals look at non verbal que
http://9gag.com/gag/aynQGAY

It may be strange. However, this is very related to my lawyer case. Anything you said has very little informational value. Why? Because it can be faked. So, your eye contact, your behavior, and other things show far more reliable information about you. That's what people see.

I don't learn anything from what my lawyer told me. He wanted me to spend as much money as possible for the case and try to get something out of it. So what he said has nothing to do with truth. People then look at non verbal cues.

I totally agree with you.

Luke 7 33-34

33 For John the Baptist has come not eating bread or drinking wine, and you say, ‘He has a demon!’ 34 The Son of Man has come eating and drinking, and you say, ‘Behold, a man who is a glutton and a drunkard, a friend of tax collectors and sinners!’

John the baptist did not drink wine because he was a Nazirite. See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazirite

Jesus did not take this vow, so he probably did drink wine because they would not have called Jesus a drunkard if they did not see him drinking wine.

There also cannot be "fruit of the vine" because there are separate Hebrew words for wine, grapes, and vinegar. Notice how the Wikipedia article sums up Numbers 6:
Abstain from wine, wine vinegar, grapes, raisins, intoxicating liquors,[2] vinegar distilled from such substances,[3] and eating or drinking any substance that contains any trace of grapes.[4]
Refrain from cutting the hair on one's head; but to allow the locks of the head's hair to grow.[5]
Not to become ritually impure by contact with corpses or graves, even those of family members.[6]

What has happened on WP in recent months that we get threads like this much more often now?

If you have met one neurotypical you have met one neurotypical.

In retrospect coining and accepting neurotypical as the word for non autistic people is one of the worst things autistic advocates have done. Considering the tendency towered literness by autistics it doesn't make much sense that we did that.

I actually think the term "neurotypical" makes sense, because it's just that, typical. The average. The term puts no judgments, good or bad, on that state of being. After all, "typical" could be either wonderful or awful depending upon the group you're talking about...right? Hope that makes sense.

I don't really think of NTs as drones. They have feelings and lives and loves and interests and so on just as we do. They're all different from one another just as we're all different from one another.

And it's shocking how many NTs feel they don't fit in, either. I have met an awful lot of NTs who feel very, very strangled by society's dictates and resent being put into a box all the time and being labeled as this, that or the other. (Soccer mom, bookish, metrosexual, "the funny one," etc., etc.). It's weird - none of us seem to like being squeezed into a perfect, neutral life, yet we're ALL supposed to try to attain it. Isn't that odd?

Most of the time this is how I feel about NTs. They just lie all of the f*****g time. I realize that the methods of communication are different; they throw around patterns and veiled meaning and unnecessary innuendo and cultural word play. Aspies generally don't and are direct. Sometimes I want to (metaphorically) strangle people and scream "JUST SAY WHAT YOU f*****g MEAN DAMN IT!"

I find that even when NTs use platitudes such as "say what you mean and mean what you say" and other such seemingly disingenuous phrases they don't REALLY mean SAY EXACTLY what you mean, because these calls for so-called "honesty" don't generally ingender people with the motivation to be more honest .... it brings about other things.... why I am not sure.

Sometimes I feel like NT talk is just a fuck-ton of cues to say the socially acceptable thing. Like conversational tennis... not actual conversation/exchange of information/ideas/theories/facts/cool info/stuff.
In some ways NT-talk is more scripted than the scripts I spin through when trying to interact with an NT.

Also, what's so bad about the term NT (genuinely curious)?
I thought it was a great and succinct way to refer to non-autistic people. I think everyone is aware that with the NTs numbers being what they are (that is to say that in any given population basically 99% of the people are NT) it isn't a negative stereotype or generalization and that ... you can't completely generalize NTs behavior too much ... that just doesn't make sense. Aren't autistics the least prone to generalizations? LOL isn't it our specialty to NOT generalize s**t?