how do asipes talk and how they talk so much?

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16 Jun 2016, 9:01 am

my big bro chris is an aspie, and he talks about things like drones, russian hackers, news from the tv and stuff. why do aspie talk so much about things nonstop and do they ever have trouble learning things verbally and do they sometimes lash out violent attacks on people out of anger/fear of something bad they said? :heart: :heart: :heart: :heart: :heart:

not to offend anyone, but also do aspies sometimes attack people on conversation when they say something religious or about weight o looks, my bro chris is also bipolar and he has rage meltdowns where he screams, says mean things with the f word in it, smashes things onto the ground into pieces like lamps and tvs and hits ad trys to choke my father. one time chris even gave my mom a black eye and puched her in the face before running off the streets.

(its okay now, the helicopters found him and brought him safely back homne!)

also do other aspies have violent rage meltdowns like that during a talk because of somebody saying something upsetting or rude? :heart:

also when they walk up to people, they stand too close and do they head straight to talking about dinosaurs or space or drones without saying hi? :heart: do they make eye contact or stare into peoples eyes?


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16 Jun 2016, 9:27 am

You'd be surprised how many non-autistic people are the same way as what you say Aspies are like.

Aspies like to talk about their special interests because they feel pleasure in them, unlike most things in life. They don't feel much pleasure in social interaction, or in speaking about mundane things. They don't feel like "small talk" is the way to "bridge the gap" between them and another person.

Aspies don't feel like they want to attack people. They just believe in what they believe. It doesn't come naturally to them to sugarcoat their beliefs in polite terms. Frequently, though, they learn how to be polite later in life. They realize that it provides more pleasure to their conversation partners if they use the polite, rather than the blunt approach, in conveying their opinions. They also realize that they are listened to more should they take the other person into account.



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16 Jun 2016, 9:37 am

:roll: Or sometime as they get older and more exhausted with life, they get MORE blunt because they don't give a sh!t anymore. Sorry kraftie but sometimes people don't listen even WHEN one is minding one's Ps and Qs.

To be honest I've lived my whole life being careful to be polite and considerate and even then I've been treated like chopped frickin' liver. And it's now in older age that I'm exhausted with giving a damn. That can happen too.

Wow. Way to try to "Pavlov's Dog" the behavior of others. See right through it.



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16 Jun 2016, 9:46 am

I've been treated like chopped liver, crap, garbage, various types of excrement, etc. all my life. Even when I've been polite. Even when being blunt might have paid off more. So it's not like I'm naïve to this sort of thing.

However, I believe in making the attempt to be polite in order to provide myself (and perhaps others) with a more pleasurable time in the progress of life. I don't always succeed. I screw up.

It's not all altruism, either. It's just the desire not to feel unpleasantness when it isn't necessary.



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16 Jun 2016, 9:53 am

kraftiekortie wrote:
You'd be surprised how many non-autistic people are the same way as what you say Aspies are like.

Aspies like to talk about their special interests because they feel pleasure in them, unlike most things in life. They don't feel much pleasure in social interaction, or in speaking about mundane things. They don't feel like "small talk" is the way to "bridge the gap" between them and another person.

Aspies don't feel like they want to attack people. They just believe in what they believe. It doesn't come naturally to them to sugarcoat their beliefs in polite terms. Frequently, though, they learn how to be polite later in life. They realize that it provides more pleasure to their conversation partners if they use the polite, rather than the blunt approach, in conveying their opinions. They also realize that they are listened to more should they take the other person into account.


yeah, try telling chris something like "you could have done better than that!" and he could have a fit and shout "OH YEAH? YOU THINK I DONT DO WELL ENOUGH??! !" and smash a lamp and/or lampshade on the floor before your very eyes and scream, he even ROARS....

one time, when mom and chris came home from church one calm night, just at the very second she and chris walked in, chris got angry and punched the ipad with his fist and attacked my mother whilst screaming, roaring and shouting "*beep* -he said bad word- YOOUUUU!! !! !" in the worst anger ever!

and are there any violent aspies like my bro chris who attack people and break stuff and roar like hell in anger/frustration? he hasnt had a meltdown like that in weeks but still.... :heart:


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16 Jun 2016, 9:59 am

Violence is, definitely, not a necessary component with Asperger's Syndrome. In fact, I would say that most Aspies wouldn't lay a finger on anybody. There's something else going on with your brother.

I'm sorry you have to experience this stuff.



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16 Jun 2016, 10:38 am

PeachCastella wrote:
my big bro chris is an aspie, and he talks about things like drones, russian hackers, news from the tv and stuff. why do aspie talk so much about things nonstop and do they ever have trouble learning things verbally and do they sometimes lash out violent attacks on people out of anger/fear of something bad they said? :heart: :heart: :heart: :heart: :heart:



I don't know many aspies who have lashed out at others verbally. I am not sure what you mean by learning things verbally. If you mean like understanding things, yes that seems to often happen. Their brains work so differently it's like they speak a different language but yet they literally speak the same language as the rest of us, that is how I felt about this boy in my school who I think was very likely AS but I would say he was pretty severe even though he didn't do any self stimulation or ramble on about his interests, he was in fact very quiet and didn't talk much. You met on aspie, you met one aspie.

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not to offend anyone, but also do aspies sometimes attack people on conversation when they say something religious or about weight o looks, my bro chris is also bipolar and he has rage meltdowns where he screams, says mean things with the f word in it, smashes things onto the ground into pieces like lamps and tvs and hits ad trys to choke my father. one time chris even gave my mom a black eye and puched her in the face before running off the streets.


No that isn't Asperger's, that is just someone with anger issues and who needs a hospital if they are that violent and they have a mental illness or a developmental disorder. Even non autistics don't act that way if someone has a different political view they feel threatened with.


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also do other aspies have violent rage meltdowns like that during a talk because of somebody saying something upsetting or rude? :heart:


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also when they walk up to people, they stand too close and do they head straight to talking about dinosaurs or space or drones without saying hi? :heart: do they make eye contact or stare into peoples eyes?


I would say so since that seems to be a characteristic of autism. Yes some can make eye contact. You don't need every symptom to meet the ASD criteria. I think they can also learn social skills too. I don't like to say they can't.


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17 Jun 2016, 6:20 am

Hmm, I'm not that extreme. When having an outburst I didn't hurt anyone (except myself), and didn't smash objects. I just cried a lot.

I don't talk about special interests nonstop. I can actually interact like an NT. If you met me and hung around with me, you probably wouldn't even know I have AS.

I have quite a childlike personality, but not "stupid" or "ret*d". I just get easily amused and love looking at brightly-coloured things. I also love teddy bears.

I express my feelings well, very verbally. I am not geeky. I am witty, love jokes, can recognise nonverbal social cues, and I am lovable and affectionate.


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17 Jun 2016, 8:09 am

PeachCastella wrote:
my big bro chris is an aspie, and he talks about things like drones, russian hackers, news from the tv and stuff. why do aspie talk so much about things nonstop and do they ever have trouble learning things verbally and do they sometimes lash out violent attacks on people out of anger/fear of something bad they said? :heart: :heart: :heart: :heart: :heart:

not to offend anyone, but also do aspies sometimes attack people on conversation when they say something religious or about weight o looks, my bro chris is also bipolar and he has rage meltdowns where he screams, says mean things with the f word in it, smashes things onto the ground into pieces like lamps and tvs and hits ad trys to choke my father. one time chris even gave my mom a black eye and puched her in the face before running off the streets.

(its okay now, the helicopters found him and brought him safely back homne!)

also do other aspies have violent rage meltdowns like that during a talk because of somebody saying something upsetting or rude? :heart:

also when they walk up to people, they stand too close and do they head straight to talking about dinosaurs or space or drones without saying hi? :heart: do they make eye contact or stare into peoples eyes?


Violence and lashing out are not part of aspergers. Your brother is just one individual who obviously has a lot going on in addition to aspergers (bipolar, and gawd knows what else). Aspies are often accused of not being verbal enough.

Sounds like you're taking your brother (who a lot of other issues on top of aspergers) and mixing his behavior with some overhead stereotypes and creating a ridiculously inaccurate image of all aspies.



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17 Jun 2016, 3:09 pm

I think this kind of behavior is rare, and as others have said, indicates that something else is going on. Such as that the person has been or is being abused, or has another psychological condition that isn't being addressed.

I have personally seen auties (not aspies) react violently after being abused. They can learn to strike first and be a problem to people or animals who haven't done anything to them.

I have never seen or heard of a person on the autism spectrum act violently for no reason at all. Some people engage in what can appear to be self-injurious behavior but is actually stimming (a calming ritualistic behavior). If people get in the way of this, try to restrain them, or accidentally harm the autistic person, I have heard of the autistic person hitting or biting the other person in an effort to protect themselves. But this is simply self-protective behavior and doesn't come out of the blue, like what you're describing.

I'm sorry that this is going on in your home. It might help for you to read up on the autism spectrum a bit more and see if you can figure out how it applies to your brother and his behavior. People are always available to offer advice and answer questions.



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17 Jun 2016, 3:20 pm

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I have never seen or heard of a person on the autism spectrum act violently for no reason at all.


I have. I knew a boy who was abusive for no reason. He did it for control and he had a behavior disorder so not all of it was Asperger's. He acted very much like a psychopath but he might have had conduct disorder and I read ODD usually leads to it and 40% of them get diagnosed with ASPD as adults.

Since it's rare for an autistic person to just be violent, I can see why anyone would be skeptical when they hear about an autistic person being abusive while for me I think that person is sick and ill and needs to be put away so they can never hurt anyone again because I have known someone like that and he had been hospitalized several times so lesson learned. I sometimes wonder where he is now like if he is in prison now or if he has changed and is no longer abusive and if he grew out of this stuff.


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17 Jun 2016, 5:14 pm

Like others have said, the violence is not because of Asperger's or Autism. It is because of something else. Asperger's/Autism does not automatically make someone violent. Someone with Autism/Asperger's might react violently when he is frustrated or upset because he is a violent person not because he is an Autistic person. just like an NT might behave violently because he is a violent person. Sometimes the behavior is a character trait, not an Autistic trait.

I also know of an Autistic boy who behaves a lot like Chris in his violent behavior and his problem is that he is a coddled spoiled brat. Because he is Autistic, his parents always coddled him and never disciplined him and always just let him have his way and have whatever he wanted. Well now he is a teenager so now he is completely out of control when he is upset. Basically his parents created a monster. He even broke someone's arm once when he couldn't have his way. That is not from Autism, it's from being spoiled. Autism/Asperger's is not an excuse to not raise your kids right.

I talk a lot if it's about a special interest. Other than that, I don't talk a lot. I also scream when I am pushed beyond my ability to endure like with sensory overload and sometimes I cry and headbang too but I have never been violent.


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19 Jun 2016, 6:09 am

Generally I'd say there's 2 types of aspies. The sociable/talkative ones and the ones that just prefer to keep to themselves. I prefer to keep to myself, the only time I really talk a lot is if it's about my special interest (cars).

As for the violent outbursts and rage I'm guessing that your brother has some other condition besides aspergers because I think I speak for the majority of aspies when I say that we wouldn't lay a finger on anyone.


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19 Jun 2016, 9:07 am

foca wrote:
Generally I'd say there's 2 types of aspies. The sociable/talkative ones and the ones that just prefer to keep to themselves.


Then I'm talkative, passive just as much.


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