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28 Mar 2014, 10:06 pm

If so, how do they feel when they see an eye without emotion? How can they see emotions? (I can not see anything in the eyes so I wouldn't know)



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28 Mar 2014, 10:47 pm

Strange.

To me it feels like people are screaming at me when I look into their eyes.
It's just way too intense, I try not to look to long, especially if I don't know the person well.
It's just... Information overload.
Sometimes it can be useful but usually I just try to ignore it the whole messy, noisy gestalt rather than attempting to pull out specific bits and pieces consciously.

Most people are constantly screaming everything about themselves in everything they do & say, in their muscle tension, how they hold themselves, how they move, their cadence, tone, and pitch, and most especially in their eyes.
I'd rather not know that much, but apparently it takes a very high degree of deliberate control over normally subconsciously caused signals to prevent that, and I've only really met a single person who both had that kind of control and reason to exercise it.
It was nice being around her because of that, among other reasons, but she was a friggin' unicorn in the truest sense, and her near-complete control over her somatic affect was the least of it.

It must be nice to look at those giant stereo speakers people call eyes and see/hear nothing. 8O
So quiet... :tired:

Of course, I suppose either extreme is a PITA in its own way. :roll:
Damn the allistic & their routinely middle-of-the-road sensory experiences. :P :twisted:



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29 Mar 2014, 4:27 am

Yes, I think, it is the most typical thing, - but I think, that most people do it intuitively.
I am good at it, if I have people one by one, but I´ll have to analyse, what I see - and in a multipersonal situation, most signals will pass me by.
That is the most typical asperger weakness.


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29 Mar 2014, 4:38 am

Someone posted a test for reading eye emotions here. I failed miserably.



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29 Mar 2014, 7:57 am

When I learned most people can seemingly identify emotion looking at someone's eyes, I assumed that their brains have the ability to smoothly and intuitivelely process what some us, like me, have to sort out in our heads. How their brains do that is a mystery to me.

But your question is interesting. I've worked hard at showing facial expressiveness because that is something I was told if should do to make people more comfortable. But I never feel like I come across well for very long to others, and your question makes me wonder---is it really the facial expressiveness people depend on, at least typical people, or is that an easy superficial target that doesn't get at some underlying expressiveness with the eyes that might be what they look at, and for. And maybe something people don't understand when it's missing.

You didn't ask, but I suspect with no way to prove it that those of us who don't read emotions in people's eyes well also don't project emotions with our eyes effectively to most others. I imagine it makes people uncomfortable to not read emotions in a person's eyes, at some primal level, unless they have an explanation or know you well.

And I know that whether or not another person sees emotions in my eyes, I have feelings, they may not be easy to articulate, but I prefer being real at least to myself. And I hate the locked in feeling that comes with seeing no response.



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29 Mar 2014, 8:08 am

EzraS wrote:
Someone posted a test for reading eye emotions here. I failed miserably.

I did one of those tests and the first time did ok, but it was painful and took a really long time as I flashed faces from movies and TV like flash cards through my mind for each picture that was presented. Which since I don't recognize faces was even worse and slower than it sounds. The amount of work was too much, I suspect with practice one could learn to be faster and more efficient, but it was exhausting and made my brain hurt. I read the instructions more carefully and saw this isn't supposed to be done like a math proof, showing every single step along the way, yes, I got a bad score moving through the test quickly. But my brain still hurt.

I'm curious, did you feel like it hurt, too? Or was it just something you got a low score at?



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30 Mar 2014, 2:30 am

It took me a long time to be able to read eyes, but when I finally figured it out, I never wanted to look people in the eyes again. The NT can lie easily through his mouth but only an expert can do it with his eyes...I tend to get the "you're pathetic" look allot and I immeaditely want to throw the giving person in the meatgrinder for it. :evil:



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30 Mar 2014, 12:31 pm

i can't... it took me a lot of effort to learn to no longer see agression in eye-contact (and it still takes energy to do so).
i have learned other methods to 'read' emotion so i can pretend i read it from their eyes, but if tested, i fail big time, scoring way below chance if i try to find the answer by reasoning



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30 Mar 2014, 1:21 pm

I don't think it can be done by reason, because it's a picture. AI725, how did you learn to read eyes?



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31 Mar 2014, 6:53 pm

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02 Apr 2014, 5:31 pm

Waterfalls wrote:
I don't think it can be done by reason, because it's a picture. AI725, how did you learn to read eyes?


I can't really say. It's just something that came to me in my old age.



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03 Apr 2014, 8:35 am

Bodyles wrote:
To me it feels like people are screaming at me when I look into their eyes.
It's just way too intense, I try not to look to long, especially if I don't know the person well.
It's just... Information overload.
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It must be nice to look at those giant stereo speakers people call eyes and see/hear nothing. 8O
So quiet... :tired:


This.

I can read eyes TOO well. I can see all the misery and rage and internal ugliness that certain people try to hide from polite (HA!) society. I think part of my difficulty reading people comes from seeing them as they truly are (which is often pathetic and scary at the same time) as opposed to how they wish to be seen. Just last month, there was this lady in the grocery store checkout line who was exuding so much unbridled rage that I had to physically cling to my mother until she left. I'm in my mid-twenties, for crying out loud, but her face was just that terrifying.

If I see eyes without emotion, I find it very soothing and can look at them much more than eyes with emotion.


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25 Dec 2016, 6:23 am

Some times if I try to look at a persons face its like a semi-blur. Not visually blurred but almost as though not all the information is getting through and it just creates a fuzz.



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25 Dec 2016, 9:26 am

I can't see emotions when only presented with eyes. I also failed miserably with the eye emotions test.

When you make eye contact, do you just stare at one eye or switch between the two? I've never really been sure, so I stare at the nose or mouth instead.


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25 Dec 2016, 10:28 am

I am very weak at reading eye emotions, unless they are looks of anger. I took an eye reading test on the Internet about ten years ago or so when I posted on WP under a different screen name. I didn't do as bad as I thought I would, but I didn't really do spectacularly.



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26 Dec 2016, 2:26 am

I think I'm good with reading eye emotions.... Until I feel them doing the same then I look away or zone out if I have to maintain eye contact....


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