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01 Jul 2018, 6:31 am

Do you ever find yourself being jealous of people who are socially successful and likable and popular?
Because the way I feel sometimes, seeing how unpopular I am and how every time I hang out with friends I am either treated like a ret*d or expected to do something I really can't do (like talking to a bunch of random strangers). It seems like there's no way of winning as an autistic adult in such a neurotypical world where being social and popular is considered being succesful. For example look at super famous YouTubers and see how people refer to them as succesful. And I guess they are, because they make tons of money with their videos and they don't have to look for a job and hope you get a decent pay cause they are billionaires. And I kinda wish I could be like that just filming videos and making money without having to go through applying for jobs, risking being unemployed for a long time or risking to get fired or never be valued and liked and stuff like that.

Or, offline, if you know someone popular like a friend of yours having lots of friends and being respected and liked no matter what they do, simply because they are social and outgoing and extroverted and somewhat popular and you feel like they have it easier in life because of that, at least socially.

I'm not saying I would like to be a popular person cause popularity = attention and I do not want a lot of attention because it would freak me out. I'm a very private person and being autistic too, I wouldn't like a crazy amount of attention, neither in real life nor on the internet.

That said, I also wish I was valued more instead of being seen as a weird antisocial freak who's "smart" and knows languages and computers and is brainy and stuff, like...please. I don't want to be stereotyped like that and being valued for knowing a lot of things. It doesn't matter to me since most people still treat me like a child or a ret*d but expect stuff at the same time, things that I can't really do easily and that go against my nature, such as going out and expecting me to automatically make friends and socialize.

Rant over, I don't even know if this makes sense, but I would like to hear your opinion.



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01 Jul 2018, 7:08 am

joe_ls622 wrote:
Do you ever find yourself being jealous of people who are socially successful and likable and popular?
Because the way I feel sometimes, seeing how unpopular I am and how every time I hang out with friends I am either treated like a ret*d or expected to do something I really can't do (like talking to a bunch of random strangers). It seems like there's no way of winning as an autistic adult in such a neurotypical world where being social and popular is considered being succesful. For example look at super famous YouTubers and see how people refer to them as succesful. And I guess they are, because they make tons of money with their videos and they don't have to look for a job and hope you get a decent pay cause they are billionaires. And I kinda wish I could be like that just filming videos and making money without having to go through applying for jobs, risking being unemployed for a long time or risking to get fired or never be valued and liked and stuff like that.

Or, offline, if you know someone popular like a friend of yours having lots of friends and being respected and liked no matter what they do, simply because they are social and outgoing and extroverted and somewhat popular and you feel like they have it easier in life because of that, at least socially.

I'm not saying I would like to be a popular person cause popularity = attention and I do not want a lot of attention because it would freak me out. I'm a very private person and being autistic too, I wouldn't like a crazy amount of attention, neither in real life nor on the internet.

That said, I also wish I was valued more instead of being seen as a weird antisocial freak who's "smart" and knows languages and computers and is brainy and stuff, like...please. I don't want to be stereotyped like that and being valued for knowing a lot of things. It doesn't matter to me since most people still treat me like a child or a ret*d but expect stuff at the same time, things that I can't really do easily and that go against my nature, such as going out and expecting me to automatically make friends and socialize.

Rant over, I don't even know if this makes sense, but I would like to hear your opinion.


Not really. Occasionally I wish I had incepted some of those ideas and followed through on them but the fact of the matter is I didn't have the creativity to think up the content they did, the resources to produce it or the energy to put up with the negative aspects of being a popular Youtuber. I don't care for the criticism or drama that can come along with it either, or the stress I would be under if I tried to go against my nature to an excessive amount. It would be hard work for me while it might be emotionally harder for someone like Onision to not be popular. Some people are histrionic. They have to be the center of attention or they are stressed. The problem famouse Youtubers face is they have to keep thinking up viewerbase promoting or maintaining content in a fast moving world, and they can quickly fall out of favor. They are in a constant battle to stay relevant and for most of them, their popularity is temporary. I've see the viewer base of previous Youtubers rise and peak and then drop off such that the person eventually stopped making content, deleted most of their videos, and some left Youtube all together.

I prefer to just go about my life and sometimes I may be popular for various reasons and sometimes I may not be.

There are things I have aspired for, however, and have put in the time and energy and resources and have failed for reasons relating to external factors beyond my control. That is always disappointing but that is life.



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01 Jul 2018, 7:13 am

I am not jealous of popular people nor have I ever been. I get jealous when I have needs that people refuse to meet. I do get jealous of people who get their needs met without being challenged or bullied about their needs. But I am not jealous of people who are socially popular.


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01 Jul 2018, 7:53 am

skibum wrote:
I am not jealous of popular people nor have I ever been. I get jealous when I have needs that people refuse to meet. I do get jealous of people who get their needs met without being challenged or bullied about their needs. But I am not jealous of people who are socially popular.


That too, but I don't really know anyone with a neurodevelopmental disorder not being bullied or made fun of for their needs....it's always NTs.



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01 Jul 2018, 8:12 am

joe_ls622 wrote:
skibum wrote:
I am not jealous of popular people nor have I ever been. I get jealous when I have needs that people refuse to meet. I do get jealous of people who get their needs met without being challenged or bullied about their needs. But I am not jealous of people who are socially popular.


That too, but I don't really know anyone with a neurodevelopmental disorder not being bullied or made fun of for their needs....it's always NTs.
I understand what you mean but when the programs designed for Autistic people and for the disabled reject you and when hospitals bully you or reject you when you are in crisis, that makes it much more difficult.


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01 Jul 2018, 8:16 am

Yes. But then I remind myself that popularity does not equal happiness or being normal.

I had a taste of being popular for one year in high school. I fell madly in love with a pretty popular guy at school and to my surprise he started showing interest in me too and after months of mostly online communication we started dating. At school he was always center of attention in his group - loudest, most attractive, funniest. I would stand next to him and he'd always have his arms around me and it felt great. I would feel respected and seen for the first time in my life.
But then the question stands - was he happy? Were his friends happy? Well to this day i've never met a worse person in my life. He was a deeply bitter person on the inside and he didn't care about anyone, me included most of the time. He made himself popular to have that facade to hide behind. His best friends had secrets as well.

On top of that i've seen the popular girls that used to tease me long time ago say horrible things about each other behind each others back while otherwise pretending to love each other. I never heard any of the less popular girls behave like that or act mean towards others.

So from my experiences the popular people are very often the most messed up ones. Popularity is often a facade for people who lack depth to hide behind for validation and in fear of people seeing their true selves so don't envy them. Instead find others similar to yourself to befriend. To just have one or two close friends is worth so much more than having a dozen ones who don't really know you just so you can feel popular. But I do understand what you mean. You see these people with all of their friends and they appear to be so much happier and live more fulfilled lives than you do but that's what they want you to think, it makes them feel better about themselves. This is why popular people are often bullies. Don't worry about them.



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01 Jul 2018, 8:54 am

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Yes. But then I remind myself that popularity does not equal happiness or being normal.

I had a taste of being popular for one year in high school. I fell madly in love with a pretty popular guy at school and to my surprise he started showing interest in me too and after months of mostly online communication we started dating. At school he was always center of attention in his group - loudest, most attractive, funniest. I would stand next to him and he'd always have his arms around me and it felt great. I would feel respected and seen for the first time in my life.
But then the question stands - was he happy? Were his friends happy? Well to this day i've never met a worse person in my life. He was a deeply bitter person on the inside and he didn't care about anyone, me included most of the time. He made himself popular to have that facade to hide behind. His best friends had secrets as well.

On top of that i've seen the popular girls that used to tease me long time ago say horrible things about each other behind each others back while otherwise pretending to love each other. I never heard any of the less popular girls behave like that or act mean towards others.

So from my experiences the popular people are very often the most messed up ones. Popularity is often a facade for people who lack depth to hide behind for validation and in fear of people seeing their true selves so don't envy them. Instead find others similar to yourself to befriend. To just have one or two close friends is worth so much more than having a dozen ones who don't really know you just so you can feel popular. But I do understand what you mean. You see these people with all of their friends and they appear to be so much happier and live more fulfilled lives than you do but that's what they want you to think, it makes them feel better about themselves. This is why popular people are often bullies. Don't worry about them.


This is also true but sometimes I need to be reminded, thanks, it's very eye opening and real.



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01 Jul 2018, 9:00 am

I’ve never been jealous. It’s strange...

Anyway, sometimes I do imagine having long conversations with people that I’d like to have in real life. Instead of actually having it with the person, I have a complete conversation in my head or in a dream. I find it pretty satisfying.



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01 Jul 2018, 9:23 am

Yes, but only people who are popular with the people I want to be popular with.



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01 Jul 2018, 9:40 am

joe_ls622 wrote:
Do you ever find yourself being jealous of people who are socially successful and likable and popular?


No. I have limited interest in social success & tend to prefer my own company. Then too my sensory sensitivity makes being social more of a chore than a pleasure. I am somewhat likable, but the other humans want more from me than I am able & willing to give. I experience other humans as excessively needy. Intellectually I know this isn’t the objective truth of the situation, but it doesn’t make it feel any less real to me.



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01 Jul 2018, 9:57 am

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I’ve never been jealous. It’s strange...

Anyway, sometimes I do imagine having long conversations with people that I’d like to have in real life. Instead of actually having it with the person, I have a complete conversation in my head or in a dream. I find it pretty satisfying.


I do that too and not only conversations, I play like a movie in my head where I control everything and it's super realistic.



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01 Jul 2018, 1:04 pm

Sometimes as it sucks to be INVISIBLE



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01 Jul 2018, 1:34 pm

I get jealous of my 23-year-old NT cousin who has a really busy social life. She works full-time, but she is only at home about 1 or 2 evenings a week (she still lives with her parents). Otherwise, she is always out at some party, do, bar, festival, club, event, gathering, BBQ, wedding, baby shower, etc etc etc. Every time I see her she is always either on her way to a social event or she is recovering from a hangover from her last social event. It's probably why she hasn't moved out yet, because she goes to so many social events about 4-5 times a week (fitted in around work, and God knows when she sleeps), that if she had her own place it'd probably get neglected because she'd hardly ever be there to do any housework.

I do wish I kind of had that social motivation. Life must be very interesting for her, always something to do and somewhere to go and people to meet. She was even popular at the age of 5.

And here I am, a dumb, shy, unconfident Aspie. How are we even related???


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01 Jul 2018, 2:50 pm

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Sometimes as it sucks to be INVISIBLE


I know what you mean. It's a pretty lonely feeling.



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01 Jul 2018, 3:45 pm

I'm not jealous of popular people at all and I never have been. I'm happy to only have a few friends. Being popular would be really stressful I think since I would have to socially interact a lot more. Also, some (not all, but some) popular people can be jerks, and I don't really want to deal with that kind of person and waste time and energy trying to get people to like me. Also, I would probably have to change myself a lot of I was popular, since the average popular person is very different from me in terms of personality and interests.


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01 Jul 2018, 6:07 pm

I never really wanted to have many friends & be popular so popular people don't bother me as long as they're not mean to me or anything.


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