Autistic adults
A good laudable piece on the BBC news
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/politics/7389228.stm
look also "Your experience of autism" inside.
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what was his point? i have no reference point. i don't get it. lol
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It will be interesting to see how this proceeds. I can't see it as being "good or bad" any more then a gun is good or bad...depends if you are going to use it to defend yourself, shot an innocent person or as a paper weight. Ideally, it could serve to prove that we are here and they could develop effective services to help us contribute to society, reDX some misDXed adults and gain some empathy from a mostly uninformed public(and professionals). I think a lot depends on how they structure the census. I mean, many adults ho probably are AS don't even know there is such a thing.
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Why is it laughable? The focus on autism has been on children with very little attention given to what happens when they grow up. The problems many autistic individuals face really only manifest when they come of age and find that aside from being socially awkward, they are also unable to do the things which they must do in order to stay alive. Getting and staying employed is the main challenge facing individuals with Aspergers. Without steady income there is no way for anyone to live. And with the constant cycle of social humiliation following yet another gut wrenching job loss that forces Aspies to the economic edge, it is no wonder that suicide is such a crisis in the autism community. There has not actually been a proper study which tracks the outcomes of autistic individuals as they age nor is there any strategy short of relying on well-placed sympathizers to keep autistic adults employed and engaged. This proposed research is much needed and I hope that it will spur more such efforts because the need is immense.
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Laudable = worthy of praise, 'APPlaudable' etc
dang dyslexia

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I do the same thing allllll the time.


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Zeno: " the need is immense".
Yes
Suppose autistic adults are over 70 (there surely many of them, unrecognized, ignored sometimes ailing and having no more the energy to cope with problems, no relatives, no friends). What should be done with them? Some times they come to some public attention because they are writers, painters and receive some help. But most are obscure people whose only achievement has been to eke out an existence with tremendous difficulties. Hardship is tolerable trough a surplus of energies which accompanies young age. But after?
This is the general problem of old age. Old people are increasing as everyone knows. In Asia (China and Japan) there are still some leftover of the disappearing extended family. But in the West old people are amassed in nurseries, deprived of any affectionate care and treated offhandedly. And autistic people? To beg for help necessitates a capacity for communication that they don’t have. They are misunderstood, and often victims of human predators (predators are often disguised as carers and as “the next of kin”), they have no territory, no role (once they might be seers, or witnesses, or custodian of memories. No more of that now).
There should be solidarity from young socially disable people, because if they live long enough, they will be also old autistic people.
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Even the disabled youth culture cannot see beyond the tip of their nose. It is the thought of a child to think they will never become an adult, there will be a pill for that.
Just the whole culture on aging, shut up, everything you say is wrong, comes from the young, who should be thinking of their own future, making a better world for the old, for they will become the old.
The need is immense, and the full story on the young is still, we have no idea how, why, or what to do. More than a label is in order. Early childhood care helps, accomidation through school, and the bright and verbal do make it through, but that is only the beginning.
Alone on the playing field of life, we seem the easy mark. Everything is harder for us, plus children taunt us, and those around steal, for when it is our word or theirs, they know we are seen as lessor.
Age is seen like a disibility, Social Security is the best that is offered, and they want to save money, and support office workers on the amount earmarked for the Aged, Blind, Disabled. Money is alloted for the disabled, but through administration, service delivery, less than ten percent reaches those who the funds were for.
Everytime we make some progress, such as basic support, well then, no need for education, being helped to adapt, for you are an official hopeless case.
We need lifetime social and employment training. I am old, a loner, but stay on top of my field, and could contribute to the economy much more than I do.
If disability was judged strickly by income, and and a support system offered that provided for a good life, 50th percentile, and social and employment help was provided, we would not need office workers, social services, the psychocology skim, and without them, there would be ample funds to overcome disability in many cases.
Social workers, psychologist, our number one recipicants of aid, and draw their income from the disabled. Money was alloted for the poor, not for a study of the poor.
Higher education benefits the whole. It is one of the first duties of the state. Universities provide less services than grammer school, and charge tutition? Education is becoming a product, and consumers are sunk into debt. They must work full time for an education, going to school, and fund it any way they can. Everyone who pays gets a passing grade.
A Degree is near worthless now. Credit card and student loans are forever.
It is the same story, a basic service of the state, with every leech that can climb aboard. Not only do they suck up disability and education monies, their staffs are self serving, providing nothing to the recipients, who in general they show distain for, or to the greater culture, they become non productive drones.
When a bee hive has too many drones, they chew off their wings and shove them out the front door.
It is the first duty of the state to make sure children grow up eating, get medical care, education to the point where they can use no more, and in our situation, educated for a changing future. It is to porvide for those who have problems reaching the normal goals of life, us, for those who become injured, and for the comforts of old age, for having provided a lifetime of pulling life forward, the old should retire in peace.
It is in the best interest of everyone to educate. Problems can be solved, higher incomes mean lower taxes, and even us problem children are but delayed, and can give back more than we take to raise.
Each life has a cost, the majority it is small, and they become productive. In the few cases where it is needed, the cost is higher, and should be spent with the idea of salvaging as much as possible, through social, educational, and employment training. With free education, there will be no welfare queens seeking social training.
There are indeed hopeless cases, and I do not like people dying in the streets, or crime running free. That is just part of the overhead of life.
Old people are a minority, and a small and diminishing one. Here there are private communities where everyone is 55 or older, it is geared for a non working population, without children, with more need for health care, and a slower pace of life. The letters on the street signs are larger. It works.
One National Park would be enough space to retire all of the old here. They would be secure in all things, provide employment for services they want, and leave the rest of the country open for the young, the child bearing and raising, the economic developers, to live in a world without the old and disabled.
We currently support a large population in jail, at a cost that exceeds going to Harvard.
Perhaps 10% of taxes would support all of the aged, blind, disabled. They would not only live in safety and comfort, they would contribute to the world.
Not having them around would make housing affordable, and form same age neighborhoods with common situations, starting out in life, sending the kids to school, starting new business and industry.
Overall costs would be lower, and with a higher density of people in their earning years, a growing ecconomy and declining tax rate.
Only government employed drones stand between us and a rational social structure.
As William Burrows said of drugs. You cannot stop it by knocking off the top, it is hidden and will be replaced, legalize Heroin in one city and make it govenrment supplied and USP grade, and the junkies will become productive, pay for the cost of their care, come vollentarly, and most of the common drug crime will vanish over night. Crime that costs billions a year, as junkies are lucky to get ten cents on the dollar on goods they steal.
The world Heroin cartel will collapse over night, and without income, world production will cease.
I say it will be the same when the aged and disabled are removed, all leeches will first starve, drop from their government host, then have to get jobs that are productive. They are the real social problem, able, educated, yet are dragging everyone down.
The current US tax rate is as high as countries who have such programs, but all we get are leeches.
Make the drones work for a living!
This is the general problem of old age. Old people are increasing as everyone knows. In Asia (China and Japan) there are still some leftover of the disappearing extended family. But in the West old people are amassed in nurseries, deprived of any affectionate care and treated offhandedly. And autistic people? To beg for help necessitates a capacity for communication that they don’t have. They are misunderstood, and often victims of human predators (predators are often disguised as carers and as “the next of kin”), they have no territory, no role (once they might be seers, or witnesses, or custodian of memories. No more of that now).
There should be solidarity from young socially disable people, because if they live long enough, they will be also old autistic people.
Beyond the social aspects of autism, it is also important for us to try and understand how or if autism changes in its effects as a person ages. It has been touched on before on this forum but what gets rambled on a message board is hardly fit to qualify as sensible research. But from the responses gathered, it does appear that autism has a different impact on the individual they get older. This would make sense because the human brain, like any other organ, changes over time.
The social aspects of autism also changes as the individual moves from school to work and perhaps to marriage and other social relations. Most of us actually do quite well in school even though we may be late in finding a partner of the opposite gender or have to endure significant bullying. But the work environment is very different from the school matrix and it is in the critical realm of trying to support ourselves that autism makes its most devastating impact felt. Those of us who manage to eke out some kind of subsistence then face old age where our inability to properly enter into the right kinds of relationships puts us at risk of financial ruin when we can least afford it.
The point is that whilst the world is fixated on autism and it effects on children and parents, it is the question of what is to be done with autistic individuals once they come of age that is perhaps most vexing.
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