LFA people on here creeping me out a bit on here

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hey folks I have aspergers and im pretty stable have had an keep a job go to the bathroom normally, have had friends in the past etc, am capable of living on my own an stuff.

now some of theese low functioning autistic really creep me out

like i went to there website and they all have like really creepy music and its all like dedicated to a single thing an it doesnt look like a regular normal person designed the website at all.

an some of the otehr low functioning ones speak weird an where diapers but they can talk? that doesnt even make sense to me

I mean if you can read/write then thers no excuse for not being able to use the bathroom or get to a bathroom location, anyone can feel pee or poo coming on its not like some magical thing that just happens instantly

and sometimes there figure of speech is way off like they speak in like the 3rd tense or whatever is where they refer to themselves in third person like JIMMY did this JIMMY didn't like this other guy when JIMMY = them they speak all wrong and thats something people can learn to fix so why aren't they fixing it?

people cant help it if there low function ofc it makes some people scary its like wondering why NT acts so diffrent

I am pretty sure third person talking is developmental. I knew someone whose daughter was born premature and developmentally delayed. She would say "Her feeling sad" Instead of "She is feeling sad" even though she was eight or nine years old.
I asked my mom about it because I thought maybe it was a habit and she just did it for attention. My mom is a retired school teacher and knows something about this. My mother told me it is a sign of a developmental delay, it can't be helped.
I didn't think of it as a big deal, thought it was cute and added to her cuteness.

if they can't help it then how are they on here chatting building websites, and learning things?

It seems like they've got eh basic's needed to learn and better themselves so why aren't they doing it?

It's not that easy. The diapers thing: They may need them, because they can't control the muscles needed for control. Then feeling it coming is not of much help.
Visit some old people, they have the same problem. You can be perfectly well on a mental level and still need them.

They (We) are not regular normal persons...
I haven't visited many of those websites yet. I found, that quite some of the autists are Gothics and if you hit one of those sites, the music may be really creepy. But then: Not all Goths are autists and the music is most likely done by "normal" people anyway.
The dedication to a single thing is a typical sign of many Aspies & Autists.



That's very difficult to explain. Mainly, because I can't understand it myself and only have some vague theories. Maybe nobody will ever understand it who doesn't experience it himself.
They don't have the same mindset as we or NTs. Some can learn it, but would only fake it. I think they see the world in a different way, not having the same Ego view, maybe not differentiating that much between the "Me" and the outer world.

You shouldn't let that scare you. It's just as it is and not exactly their fault.
I found the amount of depression some here have to stand far more creepy then the autistic posts.

And some things may work for some time, as long as somebody can keep up concentration, but then fall back if they get tired.

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Because it's developmental. It has nothing to do with how smart they are My friend's daughter is very VERY smart, believe me!

There are people out there who have bladder problems or bowel problems and have to wear diapers because there is something wrong in their nervous system that goes to their bladder and they can't control it so they have no control over their bodily function. It can also be caused by it being small so the person has to go often, more than other people and they can't hold it. It can also be caused by operations. Sometimes incontinence is temporary and only way to gain it back is to work out. That's what happened to one of my dad's friends.
The worst thing that can cause incontinence is urinary tract infections or car accident. So it makes perfect sense of how someone can talk but can't use the bathroom.


I am not sure what causes bowel incontinence.


About LFA autistic people one of them has explained on here she isn't aware of her bodily functions and by the time she realizes she has to go, she doesn't make it. But I don't think her bladder problems has nothing to do with her autism because she has been potty trained before in her childhood she said.

I recommend you look up 'incontinence' on the web and you will learn more information about it, the causes and there are different types of it. The mild case of it is leaking urine every time you cough or sneeze or laugh, so you wear protection in your underwear such as a Poise pad.

I have read some women are incontinent during pregnancy. My mother sure was because she leaked urine every time my brother kicked and it would push on her bladder and some of her pee would drip out. My mother had to wear a pad in her underwear. But the was the mild case of it though, the worst case of it is having to wear a diaper because the baby is pushing on your bladder so much, you can't control you urine.

I'm sure they're equally creeped-out by you. I think maybe you're the one that needs help with the issues that are making you uncomfortable... (I think your post is quite offensive actually)

Social development can affect other strains of development as well.

Read his post again with a calmer voice. His way to formulate the question maynot be the perfect way, but it didn't leave such a bad impression on me. He doesn't understand some things and asks about them.
If his picture is a real one, he seems to be quite young.

That part about diapers for example needs some experience with people who have disabilities, something I got myself only, because I did civil service (in Germany you can decide to do military or civil sevice) as a nurse.

I don't think he wants to offend anybody.

Point taken.

It works like this:

1. Just because an autistic person learns something at one point, and then later is not able to apply that learning on a regular basis (especially in contexts other than where they learned it), then that does not mean that their later inability to apply that learning is "not about autism". (In fact, that's almost a stereotypical characteristic of some autistic people's learning, is that it doesn't always "stick" and doesn't always carry over throughout time and across all contexts. It's also relatively well-known that a large minority of autistic people lose or appear to lose at least some previously learned abilities at some point during adolescence.)

2. You don't know the details of how I was trained in childhood. The way I was trained was just by being made to sit on the toilet periodically, frequently in response to the command of an adult, but also on a regular schedule so that as often as not if something happened then it happened on the toilet. I never acquired absolute and full control of this to begin with, the amount that I had just depended almost entirely on time, context, and level of overload. (Some of the problem is with not being able to feel it easily, and some of the problem is with not being able to get there on time, both are related pretty intimately to being autistic.)

All of this can be true of any autistic person regardless of so-called functioning level, it's actually pretty common. Both to have this problem, and for it to vary over time and context a good deal. I know a great number of people that would normally be referred to as entirely "high functioning"

I can even remember one time when a staff person was convinced she'd gotten me to not have trouble with this anymore. She was very pleased with this. The trouble was that she hadn't actually made any change in my abilities. She had just done enough other things that I did not have to expend energy on them, and could expend energy on lots of deliberate monitoring and trips to the bathroom all the time.

When she got sick for a week and there was no substitute, she discovered pretty rapidly that I hadn't actually gained any abilities, and that now that I had to be trying to take care of other things again (which I could not even take care of even close to satisfactorily at all) then I didn't have the energy to expend on figuring out and responding to these sensations, or compensating for not feeling them well by heading to the bathroom a lot. (I also wasn't able to eat for several days, barely got any water, and missed most of my medications.)

And circumstances like that, and assorted other precarious things, are the only reason at all that I ever appeared to not have trouble in the first place. I was going about the whole thing differently than most people, and if something changed that was essential to my being able to do that, then suddenly I couldn't do that. And the things essential to my being able to actually use a toilet on a regular basis are not the same as the things essential for other people, so sometimes I got them and sometimes I didn't, hence apparent sporadicness in that ability.

Sort of like I once read another autistic person describe how her out-of-control behavior in the classroom suddenly disappeared and she was being praised for having learned control, when actually all that had happened was the classroom she was in was accommodating her better than other classrooms, she had learned no more control than before, and if those accommodations were taken away then she had the same out-of-control behavior as always. (Which is also why some autistic people are well-behaved at school and not at home, and vice versa. Also extremely common.)

Going to respond to the original poster in a second.

Gifted kids or teenagers and adults with ADHD that get everything done so well and seem so smart can also have issues with going to the bathroom. Lots of the kids can't manage it, because they're not aware of this body function as most people are.

Same with people who have sensory disorders.

The abilities of talking, writing or reading are not connected to this...

no im sorry if you cant feel a piece of poop sliding out of your butt or some watery peeing coming out of ur pants then something is definetly wrong

not only would I FEEL it coming out i would stop right then there, id run to the bathroom then i would release afterwards

its not that hard folks itgs simple pushing and releasing muscles its not rocket science

and also you can feel a certain like pain if u hold in ur pee or whatever u feel really hurt by it it doesnt just come out on its own u have to push it out its impossible to go automatically atleast for me

like tihnk about it u almost have to try to go pee or poo so they must be trying an doing it on there own free will somehow cuz there is people who can't even pee or poo at all without machines because they can't voluntary use there muscles, so these ppl aRE USING there muscles volunteerily its not anyones fault but there own

ProtossX, don't assume that just because you have certain sensory experiences surrounding going to the bathroom, that everyone shares these same experiences. Just as autistics can be hyposensitive to pain or hypersensitive to light, noise, etc., they can also have difficulty perceiving or recognizing the need to use the bathroom.

If an autistic can fail to feel pain from a significant injury such as a broken bone, why is it so hard to believe that they may not feel pain from a full bladder?

And in reference to your comment regarding people who need assistance to go to the bathroom- are you so sure that the problem is that they cannot voluntarily initiate the necessary muscle movements, and not that neurological damage is preventing the muscles themselves from contracting or relaxing? Anyway, if going to the bathroom is strictly voluntary, no one would wet the bed in their sleep. I think it probably works something like blinking- yes, there is some voluntary control, but the body is also capable of doing it autonomously.

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I'm sensitive to light/sound/temperature but that doesnt mean I can UNDERSTAND that theres nothing sensory about using a restroom however