Should eradicating autism be a hate crime?

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you're a bad, bad, bad, bad boy.

I'm so glad I'm not the only one who goes back and edits things for the sake of a single mis-placed letter.

Apologies to the mods here, but....

Le Kiwi - you are an IDIOT!! !!

You didn't listen to a word I said. The insurance companies have the vaccination disclaimers to prevent the MISUSE of the vaccine. That is, the quack doctors!! The side effects warnings are for those with particular conditions (mitocondrial disorder springs to mind) that might react! Ditto present viral infections like your basic cold!

I already explained that to you - and it was in one ear and out the other! You just don't want to listen to facts do you? Follow the procedures CORRECTLY - and you wouldn't have outbreaks like you described!! Therefore - vaccines are 100 percent effective!! !

Note - the increase in life expectancy can be put down to vaccines in part. How many members of the world's population lived to their 80's and 90's before vaccines compared to now? As an example.

Look. This is how I see it, rightly or wrongly.

Vaccines are there to prevent outbreaks of diseases and protect against whatever they're specifically for, ie a measles vaccine is to protect against measles so you won't get it and it won't become an epidemic.

Despite this, there are still outbreaks of these diseases, in populations who've been vaccinated. I've seen this myself and been a part of that outbreak.

Vaccines are also full of other toxins you should be avoiding, not injecting.


Therefore I won't vaccinate.

It's logical to me.

All I can say now is that I feel sorry for your future kids.

No. They cannot do that.

Yes. The do do that.

Yes. This is how things happen. Outbreaks, contained, not epidemics and not pandemics.



No.


It is logical to you to wish to bring back epidemics?

Vaccines are not perfect, but keep diseases under control. The diseases do not vanish. They still are here. Outbreaks occur. Reduce vaccinations and epidemics come back. Take away vaccination and you'll get pandemics.

You'll still get epidemics whether you vaccinate or not. Viruses are clever and they aren't going to go away.


Look, it's my body and my decision. My job as a parent will be to look after my children the best I can and bring them up to be responsible, good citizens of this planet. They can't do that without good health. As far as I've read and researched - which is obviously not what you've all read or we wouldn't be having this argument!! - vaccines are not the fantastic things they're made out to be. So I choose not to vaccinate. If my children wish to do so when they're older and have left home, that's their own decision then - as long as they make an informed choice is all I ask.

Again, they aren't compulsory - and if they are I'll find a way around it - and it isn't a religion. It's an individual choice on whether or not you choose to use a certain drug, in this case the vaccine. I choose not to; simple as that. If you decide to vaccinate then that's up to you - not my decision to make. But when it is my decision, as it is with my body and my children's (until they leave home, at least), I decide not to do it. Please respect that.

It is your decision to selfishly refuse vaccination, for no rational reason, thus increasing the risks, both for you, AND FOR EVERYONE ELSE.

The first part, your own risk, is up to you. The latter part, the risk to the responsible people who do vaccinate, is where you cause a problem.

I don't see how I do, and perhaps it's just my overly logical mind coming into play, but all I've seen is that they don't work. I also have very little faith in modern medicine's so-called safe as houses miracle cures and drugs and interventions, which is perhaps lending creedence to it in my eyes (long story involving a little daily pill that made me suicidal in the space of a fortnight). So maybe that's something to do with it subconsciously. But I certainly won't be vaccinating. Sure, if there's an epidemic or something nasty going around I'll keep my children away from school and away from pregnant women and the elderly and whoever else is particularly at risk from whatever it is, regardless of whether or not they display signs (I know things can incubate for a day or two before you show signs) - I'm not unreasonable and none of us are infallible - but I've yet to see any evidence for myself that they any good. I know several people who don't vaccinate and who've never been vaccinated too, and they're the healthiest people I've ever come across. So I sincerely hope I don't make anyone else ill. I'm not a psychic and I can't predict the future; I can only do my best to get through the best way I can. And to me, that doesn't involve vaccinations.

This has been explained to you repeatedly. You leave yourself vastly more susceptible to diseases and will act as a carrier for them.


When?

In fact, the only example you gave was of seeing an "outbreak" of something... not an epidemic, with multiple deaths. I.e. you HAVE seen vaccines working.


Your insistence that all medicine must be "perfect" - it will never happen.


Thus increasing the risks of others, which is selfish and irrational.


You really don't check anything, do you.
Try the BBC site, on measles. That took me a few seconds to find.

Measles incubates for 10-14 days, before symptoms show. You are infectious for a day before any symptoms show. The initial symptom is just like a cold for a day or two, until the rash distinguishes it as measles. You are still infectious for a few days after that point.





That would be until they are infected, and spread that infection, before they are aware they have it.

I see no genuine sincerity in your attitude. You ignore the science and place others at greater risk. Especially those people who CANNOT take the vaccine. They do not have a choice - you do.



So you will kill people.

I'm not a psychic. I can predict the probable future. I do my best to get through the best I can, and I try to ensure that I do not adversely affact others, whenever possible.

If I jump off a tall building, I put the pedestrians below at risk, so I won't do that. Actually, I don't even go near the edges, although it might be "exciting", as that "risk to others" would be increased.

Particularly when you have taken no trouble to find out anything about incubation periods or infectious periods, by choosing to refuse vaccination, for no genuine reason, you place others at risk.

Ah well. Just call me ignorant and selfish then - I've been called far worse in my time I'm sure. Sticks and stones and all that. My mind isn't going to change.

Did you ignore the BBC link I gave you for measles?

Have you modified your selfish concept of measles as a minor irritation that you can just dismiss with a wave of your hand - "Someone said there was some bad stuff in the vaccine, so I'll just become infected and infect others, rather than use it."

In particular, I hope you have noted that your statement "I know things can incubate for a day or two before you show signs" is totally incorrect. A week or more after being exposed to measles, you will become highly contagious, without ANY signs, for a day or two. After the sickness itself, later complications may kill you.

Come on, Le Kiwi - admit it. Lau has you metaphorically hung up by the privates and you can't get away from it.

You are wilfully ignorant. You are wilfully selfish.

Therefore - in this context of refusing to vaccinate - you are dangerous.

Lau, I wouldn't trust the BBC as a particularly unbiased guide to much... I read it and it's interesting, but it's not given me any more reason to vaccinate.

TLPG - No, why would I admit that? What a horrible turn of phrase too. :S
Anyway, I don't see why I'm dangerous. What IS dangerous is forcing mass-medication on a population in the way vaccines are. I refuse to vaccinate. Just respect that please.

So... name a source that you would consider to be unbiased.
(I find it astounding that you reject the BBC.)


Ah. You read it, and you find it interesting.

Interesting enough for you to put in any effort to understand vaccination?


You are dangerous because you increase the risk of people catching diseases from you. You refuse to learn how vaccines work, which means you actively wish to be a plague carrier.

You DID admit it.....





It's only dangerous if it's done incorrectly. Done correctly - it is not dangerous.



Absolutely not - because THAT is dangerous. Refusing to see why you are dangerous is exactly why you are so. Lau got you again by the way.