I am tired of people pushing low carb/keto type diets

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12 Mar 2018, 8:46 am

RetroGamer87 wrote:
So are you trying to lose weight without restriction or without deficit? Does ketosis eliminate the need for a deficit or does it eliminate the need for restriction only?

I'm not trying to lose weight. But anyway, as I said restriction is not always a required condition to lose weight.

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Yes I know. That's why a wide margin of error is required.

It doesn't matter.
a) It doesn't change the fact that restriction and deficit are not the same things.
b) You don't need margin this wide on keto in general and in some cases you don't need restriction with any margin whatsoever.

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Eating what you want except most common types of food? That's a bit like saying you can you can buy the Model T Ford in any colour you want so long as it's black.

You should have made it clear earlier that you can't live without carbs that's why you hate the idea of cutting carbs so much. This explains the urge to keep arguing against who the hell knows what. You made your point clear, finally.



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12 Mar 2018, 3:26 pm

badRobot wrote:
How much your body uses is assumed ephemeral number. When you have less energy your body will attempt to conserve energy and use less. e.g. you may assume your body uses 2000 kcal per day and you eat 1500 calories, but every time your blood sugar drops you become slightly less active and in the end of the day it's possible your body actually used 1300 calories and accumulated 200kcal worth of fat.
badRobot wrote:
RetroGamer87 wrote:
Yes I know. That's why a wide margin of error is required.
It doesn't matter.
a) It doesn't change the fact that restriction and deficit are not the same things.
b) You don't need margin this wide on keto in general and in some cases you don't need restriction with any margin whatsoever.
It does matter. You said that since my TDEE can't be known I can't know that restricting will work because I could could eat 1,500 calories and burn 1,300 calories. I'm telling you that I've solved that problem by widening the margin of error.


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RetroGamer87 wrote:
Eating what you want except most common types of food? That's a bit like saying you can you can buy the Model T Ford in any colour you want so long as it's black.
You should have made it clear earlier that you can't live without carbs that's why you hate the idea of cutting carbs so much. This explains the urge to keep arguing against who the hell knows what. You made your point clear, finally.
But I did live without carbs. I didn't mind the food and I didn't get carb flu. I didn't hate it. The problem was I didn't lose weight.

While on the low carb diet I had the exact same amount of energy I had before. No change in appetite. The food was no more or less satiating than what I was eating before. I didn't hate the diet, I hated the (lack of) results.

I may have have lost weight if I did low carb restriction but since I already lose weight from just plain restriction it seems like if I lost weight from low carb restriction it would be the restriction that was doing the work.

Anyway, my point still stands that saying "you can eat anything you want except carbs" is like saying "you can buy the Model T Ford in any colour so long as it it's black.

My point still stands that eliminating carbs is no small reduction in choice. It doesn't mean that I hate low carb food. I don't hate black cars either. Making assumptions about what my motives are won't achieve anything.

Anyway I've made my point so I'm done.


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12 Mar 2018, 4:39 pm

RetroGamer87 wrote:
It does matter. You said that since my TDEE can't be known I can't know that restricting will work because I could could eat 1,500 calories and burn 1,300 calories. I'm telling you that I've solved that problem by widening the margin of error.

Exactly. You have this problem and have to solve it while you are in glycolysis. You don't really need to solve this problem on keto. Your body has no reason to save energy and shrink your TDEE in ketosis. Many people don't need any caloric restrictions at all on keto, body naturally upregulates TDEE and downregulates hunger which results in normalised weight.

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But I did live without carbs. I didn't mind the food and I didn't get carb flu. I didn't hate it. The problem was I didn't lose weight.

While on the low carb diet I had the exact same amount of energy I had before. No change in appetite. The food was no more or less satiating than what I was eating before. I didn't hate the diet, I hated the (lack of) results.


It simply means you never was in ketosis.