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11 Oct 2007, 8:45 pm

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12 Oct 2007, 12:32 am

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I call that movie "Guys With Really Impressive Beards Who Pray A Lot Before Battle" Though since I'm a history nut, I really loved it.



Supposedly that’s how they really were during the Victorian era. I’ll probly get slammed by all the atheists and liberals that patrol these forums but I think we could use more in the way of Victorian values in these times.


Some Victorian values are actually admirable, at least to me. I would have appreciated long courtships, and being treated like a lady by the opposite sex. The values that aren't so useful, are those that supported narrow minded herd practices, active prejudices,or Might is Right attitudes.
(The Victorian/Edwardian ages are some of my obsessions)


See above. The ways in which men treated women would probably drive you to violence. Please do remember that (I assume here that you are female) in this period you would still have been essentially considered as property, to be disposed of by your father or husband as he saw fit. You had no say whatsoever in your own life. Your role was to have children, and to stay out of your husband's business. Of course, there were a few women who managed to achieve fame and public respect. They were anomalous in roughly the same way that Frederick Douglas was.


Yes, I know that there was much that was infuriating to females, and much that was just plain wrong. That (or those) periods in time are just one of my obsessions. Obsessions don't necessarily make sense!


And lest we forget, the Victorian Era's ideal of sexual repression helped make it the golden age of modern child-prositution in the industrialized world. This gave kids at the time something to fall back on no matter how many limbs they lost in their factory jobs.
Yes, we all romanticise any era of history we have a fixation on, because everyone wants to believe that there was some magical point in the past where everything was perfect, unlike the present which never is. Just remind yourself every once in a while that we usually ditched those old values for a good reason.

Getting back to the topic, "Ace In The Hole" aka "The Big Carnival" starring Kirk Douglas is one that was so far ahead of its time that no one got it back in the fifties. Watch it the next time there's some media circus surrounding a mine collapse, and you'll swear that it was somehow written within the last decade. I can't think of another movie that makes the media or human nature look more despicable.

And this is coming from a guy who owns a copy of "New York Ripper".


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12 Oct 2007, 1:05 am

hartzofspace wrote:
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I call that movie "Guys With Really Impressive Beards Who Pray A Lot Before Battle" Though since I'm a history nut, I really loved it.



Supposedly that’s how they really were during the Victorian era. I’ll probly get slammed by all the atheists and liberals that patrol these forums but I think we could use more in the way of Victorian values in these times.


Some Victorian values are actually admirable, at least to me. I would have appreciated long courtships, and being treated like a lady by the opposite sex. The values that aren't so useful, are those that supported narrow minded herd practices, active prejudices,or Might is Right attitudes.
(The Victorian/Edwardian ages are some of my obsessions)


See above. The ways in which men treated women would probably drive you to violence. Please do remember that (I assume here that you are female) in this period you would still have been essentially considered as property, to be disposed of by your father or husband as he saw fit. You had no say whatsoever in your own life. Your role was to have children, and to stay out of your husband's business. Of course, there were a few women who managed to achieve fame and public respect. They were anomalous in roughly the same way that Frederick Douglas was.


Yes, I know that there was much that was infuriating to females, and much that was just plain wrong. That (or those) periods in time are just one of my obsessions. Obsessions don't necessarily make sense!


Lol. of course. Obsessions are another matter entirely. I thought that you were in favour of Victorian views. My mistake.


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12 Oct 2007, 1:07 am

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The Last Samurai

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Well, that one bothers me for historical reasons. Nonetheless, it was a good movie.


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12 Oct 2007, 8:07 am

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12 Oct 2007, 5:15 pm

Doc_Daneeka wrote:
hartzofspace wrote:
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Supposedly that’s how they really were during the Victorian era. I’ll probly get slammed by all the atheists and liberals that patrol these forums but I think we could use more in the way of Victorian values in these times.


Some Victorian values are actually admirable, at least to me. I would have appreciated long courtships, and being treated like a lady by the opposite sex. The values that aren't so useful, are those that supported narrow minded herd practices, active prejudices,or Might is Right attitudes.
(The Victorian/Edwardian ages are some of my obsessions)


See above. The ways in which men treated women would probably drive you to violence. Please do remember that (I assume here that you are female) in this period you would still have been essentially considered as property, to be disposed of by your father or husband as he saw fit. You had no say whatsoever in your own life. Your role was to have children, and to stay out of your husband's business. Of course, there were a few women who managed to achieve fame and public respect. They were anomalous in roughly the same way that Frederick Douglas was.


Hmmm.

Emilie Autumn wrote:
Marry me, he said, through his rotten teeth, bad breath, and then
Marry me instead of that strapping young goatherd, but when
I was in his bed, and my father had sold me
I knew I hadn’t any choice, hushed my voice, did what any girl would do and
When I’m beheaded at least I was wedded
And when I am buried at least I was married
I’ll hide my behavior with wine as my savior

But, oh, what beautiful things I’ll wear
What beautiful dresses and hair
I’m lucky to share his bed
Especially since I’ll soon be dead

Marry me, he said, god, he’s ugly, but fortune is ours
Running in the gardens enjoying men, women, and flowers
Then I break a glass and I slit my own innermost thigh
So that I can pretend that I’m menstru...well, unavailable
My life is arranged but this union’s deranged
So I’ll f**k who I choose for I’ve nothing to lose
And when master’s displeased I’ll be down on my knees again

Oh, what beautiful things I’ll wear
What beautiful dresses and hair
I’m lucky to share his bed
Especially since I’ll soon be dead

When dining on peacock I know I won’t swallow
Through balls, births, and bridge games I know what will follow
We’re coupled together through hell, hurt, and hunger
Or at least until husband finds someone younger
Yes, fertilization is part of my station
I laugh as he drabs me in anticipation
Of sons who will run things when I’m under covers
But whose children are they? Why, mine and my lover’s!

But, oh, what beautiful things I’ll wear
What beautiful dresses and hair
I’m lucky to share his bed
Especially since I’ll soon be dead
What beautiful things I’ll wear
What beautiful dresses and hair
I’m lucky to share his bed
So why do I wish I was...



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12 Oct 2007, 5:52 pm

The Assassination of Jesse James by the Coward Robert Ford


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12 Oct 2007, 7:03 pm

Veresae wrote:
Doc_Daneeka wrote:
hartzofspace wrote:
Raptor wrote:
Supposedly that’s how they really were during the Victorian era. I’ll probly get slammed by all the atheists and liberals that patrol these forums but I think we could use more in the way of Victorian values in these times.


Some Victorian values are actually admirable, at least to me. I would have appreciated long courtships, and being treated like a lady by the opposite sex. The values that aren't so useful, are those that supported narrow minded herd practices, active prejudices,or Might is Right attitudes.
(The Victorian/Edwardian ages are some of my obsessions)


See above. The ways in which men treated women would probably drive you to violence. Please do remember that (I assume here that you are female) in this period you would still have been essentially considered as property, to be disposed of by your father or husband as he saw fit. You had no say whatsoever in your own life. Your role was to have children, and to stay out of your husband's business. Of course, there were a few women who managed to achieve fame and public respect. They were anomalous in roughly the same way that Frederick Douglas was.


Hmmm.

Emilie Autumn wrote:
Marry me, he said, through his rotten teeth, bad breath, and then
Marry me instead of that strapping young goatherd, but when
I was in his bed, and my father had sold me
I knew I hadn’t any choice, hushed my voice, did what any girl would do and
When I’m beheaded at least I was wedded
And when I am buried at least I was married
I’ll hide my behavior with wine as my savior

But, oh, what beautiful things I’ll wear
What beautiful dresses and hair
I’m lucky to share his bed
Especially since I’ll soon be dead

Marry me, he said, god, he’s ugly, but fortune is ours
Running in the gardens enjoying men, women, and flowers
Then I break a glass and I slit my own innermost thigh
So that I can pretend that I’m menstru...well, unavailable
My life is arranged but this union’s deranged
So I’ll f**k who I choose for I’ve nothing to lose
And when master’s displeased I’ll be down on my knees again

Oh, what beautiful things I’ll wear
What beautiful dresses and hair
I’m lucky to share his bed
Especially since I’ll soon be dead

When dining on peacock I know I won’t swallow
Through balls, births, and bridge games I know what will follow
We’re coupled together through hell, hurt, and hunger
Or at least until husband finds someone younger
Yes, fertilization is part of my station
I laugh as he drabs me in anticipation
Of sons who will run things when I’m under covers
But whose children are they? Why, mine and my lover’s!

But, oh, what beautiful things I’ll wear
What beautiful dresses and hair
I’m lucky to share his bed
Especially since I’ll soon be dead
What beautiful things I’ll wear
What beautiful dresses and hair
I’m lucky to share his bed
So why do I wish I was...


Sounds about right for those times. Keep in mind though, in all likelihood, that I lived my prior life in those times, as a man! :wink:.....


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12 Oct 2007, 7:25 pm

Ghost World
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Meet the Robinsons
The New World
Marie-Antionette
Letters from Iwo Jima
Flags of Our Fathers
The Prestige
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12 Oct 2007, 7:26 pm

I liked Ghost World.


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13 Oct 2007, 11:55 am

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Letters from Iwo Jima


Underrated? It was nominated for Best Picture!



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13 Oct 2007, 8:45 pm

But not that many people saw it. :?


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14 Oct 2007, 6:56 pm

Rush Hour 3. The critics lied when they said it wasn't funny.


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Jarhead


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14 Oct 2007, 7:44 pm

AnonymousAnonymous wrote:
Ghost World
Reality Bites
28 Weeks Later
Meet the Robinsons
The New World
Marie-Antionette
Letters from Iwo Jima
Flags of Our Fathers
The Prestige
Mission Impossible 2


Well Flags of Our Fathers and Letters from Iwo Jima both deserved Best Pictures for showing the true horror for the bloodiest battle of the USMC and the Imperial Japanese Army.


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