Do women make lots of effort to attract men?

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You would be surprised how many professionals actually don't do it as their full time jobs - only the very best can afford to live off it.
And you don't need 4 hours a day to get that, 1 hour a day for 6 days a week will be enough, unless you really want to do more than that.

And she looks *really* familiar. I think I actually know her and have met her before.
Actually I do. That's Zulmara Torres (I think - I'm pretty sure, but I could be wrong) and Abel Pena. I've met her and danced with him.

If that is her then you should probably know that she is shorter than me - so smaller than 5ft.

So if you dont have crazy beauty standards, I dont get your problem. So you dont like that sixpack male beauty standard. I know that it is a problem as well, because naturally they are only to be seen propper when you reduce your bodyfat to a percentage number thats already healthy and on the other side you need to train muscles, that are normally not to be seen, because normally you simply dont need that muscles in an amount that they get that big, that you can see them.

I agree with that. You have an unhealthy beauty standard, and I have one. Gotta say what I told mine unhealthy beauty standard:

And now you simply do the same with your unhealthy beauty standard. If you dont like it, then tell it to f**k off.

(My english and grammar is bad, so should I have written something wrong in that post, neither the picture or any of the *pieps* were meant against you.)

The thing I'd like to know is where this skinny model thing come from?

Like is it gay male fashion designers that like their models to look more like young men or boyish or something?

Or being skinny is a status thing for women.(I've been told this by women).

Another one is if they have normal looking women as models trying to sell stuff, it wouldn't work because the women buying the stuff will see they look like the model, so will not feel the need to buy it.

Seriously men do not prefer super skinny models. Like womens fashion is made by women and mostly gay men,

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I think I wasnt precise enough or used the wrong english term. I think with workout is meant the time you train doing exercises, like in a gym. I meant the general time you need for physical workout, which includes practicing to dance for a professional dancer. And according to google, professional dancers do far more then 1 hour training a day, but normally have around 4-6 hours daily for training. (Including general sports, muscle exercises, dancing....)

It really depends on the schedule. Dance isn't quite as strict as other things. For example, you may only teach 1 class on Monday (each class generally being an hour). Then on Wednesday you may teach 2- 4 classes that night. Ditto for Thursday and Friday. Maybe you got out for another 3 hours after class on Friday to practise socially. If you go out on Saturday night socially to practice, you might do that for 8 hours straight. And then maybe performance or individual training with another professional at your level on Sunday, which may be another 8 hours.

The hours can be quite irregular and spread out depending on class schedules, time of year, what competitions or performances are upcoming, and who you are working for at the time. Much of the time is spend teaching, not necessarily practising on improving your own skillset. A lot of us actually struggle to put aside time to improve our own skillsets as classes and other people tend to get in the way.

If you are really that against crazy beauty standards then WHY you listed those celebs' bodies? why did you like Wolfheart/kazuki's body?

I believe you saw my body in the adult forum, this is the body I am happy with.

That what you said there, Schneekugel, you called these men the sexiest men alive, they all have bodies similar to Woflheart's body that you described as optimal.

And if you really believe that those celebs get/maintain their bodies through only natural and healthy means then you're delusional.

You said you expect less, is it wolfheart's body your "less" expectation?


Do you know what I enlist when I am asked what I find sexy? The list I just pmed you, they are real girls I've dated and I knew in life.

boo she gave you the finger and you didn't realize.

Or did you?

I don't think it was directed at me, her English is worse than mine.

But if meant it to me then I don't give a crap, that would only tell volumes abt her.


Oh btw I think strange_girl and Cheredistyping have perfect bodies.

That's what it looked like to me.

This thread has just to much drama. I've really got better things I should be doing.

I've just noticed she said that at the end of her post:



So no, it wasn't against me.

But she confused me as hell, she seems to have double standards: She's angry how the media promotes the skinny model body as the ideal female body, yet she promotes the over-ripped and supplement-socked male bodies as the ideal MALE body --> As if Hollywood celebs are not part of the media, on that she's not angry.

I think you care too much for bodies. Most of the celebs that are listed as most sexy ... are not famous for their body, and their average films are not based on showing them naked all the time. Some of them were even really old. Sure even the old Sean Connery, Harrison Ford, Pierce Brosnan or Denzel Washington are not obese, but simply normal healthy, but they have normal bodies (I think so, normally they were cloths as actors. ^^), still they are sex symbols. Beside the last one, that seems to be an US local VIP i have never heard of, I think Brad Pitt is the one that shows the most body in films. But as I mentioned, I know that these are films, with technicians, lighters, muscle painters, fitness and diet advisers three months before and so on. I dont think that normal people expect normal people to look like that. On my marriage photos I also looked perfect...after a professional visagist painted me for an hour, I have been at a hairstylist on the same day, a professional photograph with knowledge of light and shadows ... and photoshop ^^ did two weeks of work and so on. Why likes my husband too look at that photograph and ordered a portrait copy of it, he has know on his working desk? Because I really look great and beautiful on them, and if you see without purpose someone that good looking its nothing bad about it. I also called one of our construction site workers the "Cola light men" or wont argue if our "asian-combat-style" friend, that has a very similar belly to kazukis picutre, helps us with house renewing and goes around without T-Shirt in the garden. ^^

But I dont expect that from regular people, I dont demand that from anyone. If I come home and suddenly there is a dessert in my fridge, done from the world´s best dessert cook, woah, give it too me. But I dont expect or demand that from my partner and husband as example, because of me knowing that he is an regular men and no dessert specialist. I know that when he did a selfmade vanillapudding, that he needed lots of effort for him to create that, and I am thankful for him doing that much of effort, and dont think about "What could Gordon Ramsey (or however the guy is written) have created instead?".

And with you its the same. If you have a body that shows people that you eat healthy and do regular sports, normally people will appreciate that. Sure, an professional body actor does look better then you. But he does so because of him doing this for his job, not beside his job. I could look like a celebrity on my wedding day, because of this being a very special day in my life and I could afford to spare some money for that day to go to the hairstylist, naillady, cosmetics some day before, visagist... And people liked it and my partner really liked my look. But he definitly doesnt expect or demand me to look like that everyday, because he simply knows that normal people cant afford to look like that every day. Do I like it when celebrities look absolutly perfect on special occasation like during a film set? - As long as they dont overdo it, yes. Do I demand or expect from them to look in their normal life, as they look in films. Nope. ^^ For "normal modus" I think he looks perfectly fine.

I agree that there are some people, that are so lost to think of these extreme beauty standards as normality. But most people simply compare you with normal people, and if you are healthy and sporty, then you will be absolutly fine. Doesnt mean that if Heidi Klum suddenly appears in their beach bath, that they wouldnt think of her being absolutly hot and sobber after her, and may forget about the other girls for some minutes. But normally there will be no Heidi Klum around, only ordinary, regularly people, and these are the ones you are normally compared with. Yeah, a little sixpack to watch can be nice. ^^ But my partner and husband has none, he even was a little obese, when we started our relationship. The thing is, to look at a sixpack, a photograph is absolutely sufficient, so a sixpack at a partner is a nice bonus, but no necessity. ^^ But for the qualities you need for being a good partner, a photograph of that qualities is not sufficient.

And no, as extra mentioned, I did not want to show you the finger with the little boy, and tried extra to find a cute photo of it, so noone is offended. If whyever, there was something wrong in my grammatic, that let people think so, I am happy if someone shows me, where to correct it. So the finger was meant against beauty industry and people demanding sick beauty standards.

Leave it at that. Give her time and probably she will see that. All you can do is state your opinion I think. It is kind of impossible debating things with people.

Sean Connery and Pierce Brosnan were sexy for their voices alone. I prefer Sam Neill's voice though.

Explain further this whole analogy, Schneekugel.

Do you mean if you go to home and suddenly find Channing Tatum in your bed then you would jump directly into bed with him? Are you monogamous? If yes, what about your loyalty to your husband?

Men are not cakes.





HUH?
I never claimed they're famous because of their bodies, but we are talking about bodies here and you posted that list as examples of the perfect bodies, surely you were referring to their bodies, not to their voices or acting.

If I find unknown foreigners in my house like that Tatum guy, that outside the USA nobody ever heard of, I would call the police. ^^

If I find a good looking celebrity like Brad Pitt or George Clooney with their film appearance (meaning the way they look like when doing a film), I´d call my partner, because he is as well a fan of Bthem. (So not all the films, but as example "The fight club", or that Terentino films of Clooney and so on.) And offer them something to drink and ask for some photos. ^^

As mentioned: To adore someones look, a visual photograph is absolutely sufficient. There is no need to have that guys in bed, to look at them. ^^ Sexy male calendars do that job quite sufficient. This years its "Würth 2013".



(Its kind of a gag, I work in a construction company and Würth is a company that offers material, and that got famous for their female calendars. Some years ago they have been blamed for being (dont know the correct word) "anti-feminist". So for gender reasons, they have now sexy male calendars as well. ^^ But yes, I really do have that calendar at home in the stairway to the upper level , where the sleeping rooms are. Beside the calendar of my husband from the artist Royo, that is specialised for typical Phantasypictures of woman.)

[img][800:1024]http://wallpaper.metalship.org/walls/luis-royo61.jpg[/img]

We call that "an appetizer" around here. ^^