Encountered a pair of Pick-Up Artists last night.

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No, I don't think they're to be equated.

Besides, I am selectively nice... I am not nice with jerks :p

Honestly, I don't think Stalk meant that girls should allow themselves to be seduced by everyone. We're talking seduction in Shau story's context which sounds more like predatory harassment (putting hand on leg while he still barely knows her).

My personal opinion in the matter that sexual harassment shouldn't be seen as less harassment just because the guy is hot; and him being hot shouldn't be seen as safer.

or maybe it's me who's misinterpreting Stalk's post.

I think being perceived as hot/sexually attractive is one of the features that trigger women to respond pleasantly for such situations when they're not being mindful of what is going on exactly.

No one can tell how far would it be.

Maybe she called you because he turned out really threatening - Or, the more logical explanation that she called you because she freaked out that you may say something to her husband.

I don't think guilt was the reason.

Ok, first off, I think sex is healthy and fun, and there are many women who enjoy it without neccessarily wanting a LTR. Our society is very judgemental of player vs. slut, virgin/mother/whore, so women a lot of times feel guilty about indulging their sexual urges. s**t's complicated.

Step 1. Be attractive. Take care of you appearance, eat well, work out, hair cut helps.

Go somewhere girls are looking for boys. AKA parties, bars, the park, coffee shop, book store, etc. Be available.

If a girl is looking at you, there are two options: she is attracted to you, or she isn't.
step 2. smile. She will look away, this is what girls do. If she looks at you again
step 3. wink. Try to judge reaction. She will prolly look away again. That's normal. If she steals a look back at you again, chances are VERY high that she thinks you are cute.
step 4. walk over and say Hi, what's your name?
step 5. Ask her questions about herself. I always just ask "Do you like Karaoke?" Everyone has opinion about it good or bad. Listen. Women like you talk about themselves. Listen to her, is she interesting? Follow up with "what song do you like to sing?" do you practice in the shower? Got any dance routine? or whatever. Key is to ask her questions, and listen to her... NOT lecture her about something. If she talks about something you know about, tell a joke or a short story THAT IS RELATED TO WHAT SHE WAS TALKING ABOUT. Emphasis on SHORT story, that will make her laugh.
step 6. make her laugh! Key to attracting women. When she laughs, touch her arm. Judge reaction. If she pulls away, she is not into you. If she touches you back, she wants the D.
step 7. You are cool. We should hang out. Here is my number.
either she will call you (she wants the D), or she won't (not that into you)

THE END. Women want assertive men. If you do not let a woman know you are attracted to her immediately, she thinks you are weak. Women say they want sensitive men, but they want assertive, aggressive ones.

So what I'm understanding from what people are saying in this thread, a man successfully seducing a woman using PUA tactics, and the woman agreeing to have sex with him, is rape?

If that's the case, a woman wearing revealing clothes or doing something else that turns men on must be raping a man.

The reality is that there's a whole spectrum, with one end being rape, and one end being total consent. These guys were being coercive, deceitful, and "assertive" enough to prompt my friend to whisper a concerned "[Shau] don't go home tonight" into my ear. I think that starts to make some serious headway into the "rape" end of that spectrum.

I think she was scared that you might tell her husband.

Why the other girl didn't tell you to stay too?

Those girls were enjoying themselves but felt guilty about it so they pretended that they were concerned. I hate it when people act like that.
If they were genuinely put off by those guys they could've just ignored them or left the party.
If I were their friend and had been there I would've called them out on it.

Its always funny to me that westernised women will find 1000 reasons to f**k some random loser but. When it comes to being a good wife and mother though no cant think of anything but bad decisions. The OPs post just shows that women love being put in bad situations and when in those situations because of the culture here in the west are almost encouraged to make bad decisions now. Women are taught that their emotions are important and never wrong when 95% of the time it exactly the opposite. Women and men both have been so socially messed up and taught to do everything wrong in the west but people are staring to come to their senses thank god.

B-b-but the doctors said I have a major Vitamin D deficiency because I stay inside so much!


Aw, that makes me a sad panda.

Exactly what I have been saying but I don't think any of them was feeling guilty, the married felt "guilty" because she was caught by Shau and his reaction scared her (ie. omg he's gonna tell hubby!).

I am glad to see another female user who's not throwing all the blame on the guys.

I twisted no words, you were clearly justifiying this woman's actions in the previous posts by blaming how society raises girls, you weren't talking about the situation pressure then, you were saying that usually it's impossible for women to push away such PUAs (guys who put their hands on legs at first meet up) because "others" would label them bitchy and rude (??!).

KJAS, who are those others?? who are "they"?? You still avoided to answer that.

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Yeah finally, some real equality for a change.

I wonder if the white knights have anything to say now, since they always crop up when it is time to defend the "weaklings". Cause that is all they are really proving.

Don't get me wrong, if they were like "I know what I'm getting into and I'm enjoying it", then I'd be like, "you go girl".
The pretending part and them trying to impose their responsibility on others (i.e. the OP) I'd have problem with.
If they were actually naive and inexperienced, I'd tell them "Those guys are trying to get in your pants, proceed with caution, you've been warned, you're a grown woman, be responsible for your own actions."