I think I lost my girlfriend because of my AS...

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KianaKitter
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16 Feb 2012, 10:05 am

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After we broke up she got together with another girl right away and it hurt so bad. I couldn't handle it. The emotions took over and I had no control. I got mad, really really mad.

That one fact, that she got somebody else so quickly, justifies your rage at losing her.....I don't say you dealt with the anger and pain in the best way, but the feelings you got were perfectly normal and justifiable.

That one fact also makes me wonder whether the problem in the relationship was only down to your behaviour. If I lose a relationship, for whatever reason, I wouldn't dream of running straight into anybody else's arms. That's a stupid thing to do IMHO, it's called a rebound, it confuses the one who does it because of the sudden change in sexual partners, the new emotional bonding happens before the mind has had time to clear the previous occupant out of its system.....sex causes very strong bonding.

So I suspect that she isn't operating on a sexually mature level yet, and that she isn't ready to settle with anybody. You on the other hand seem to want a very strong commitment....personally I don't think people should live with partners unless there is a strong commitment, like a marriage, where (e.g.) opposite-sex friends are generally sidelined and subjected to rules preventing frequent contact and privacy, where the partners don't act so much like individuals, they do things as a couple, and they choose social environments that both of them feel comfy with. Bohemian standards might be possible for some, but I think the bonds are always more precarious as a result, and that anybody wanting a reliable relationship should think very carefully before getting involved with somebody who doesn't need that.

What I'm saying is that I don't think it's enough to just label yourself as having acted too possessive. You'll be regretting your jealous outbursts now that you've lost all hope of stopping her from sleeping with another, and probably resolving to try extra hard next time you find a partner, but I think you'll find that if you get into another mismatched situation like the one you've talked about here, your feelings will eventually come back as strong as ever.

IMHO there's nothing weird, possessive or wrong about wanting security in a relationship. Your anxiety and jealous rage were probably caused by very real things that she did. I'm not saying she did wrong exactly, because from her outlook she has no obligation to surrender her individuality to anybody unless she agreed to. I'm just saying that judged by the "high-commitment" norm you seem to need, I'll bet she crossed a few lines.

So I'd say the best thing might be to discuss attitudes to commitment with potential partners in future, and keep away from people who seem too "young" in their attitudes to it. You probably think you're so possessive that nobody would ever be able to cope with the restrictions you would want to place on them, but there are people out there who don't even want to party or get involved in any kind of scary extravert revelry. Some people have been sexually betrayed a lot in the past and feel so insecure themselves that they are willing to give up a lot of freedom for somebody who won't insist on taking those freedoms themselves. Find a possessive person, and you'll be able to empathise with each other and maybe help each other to gradually relax and trust again.

My current partner has said the most wildly possessive things about exes of mine who aren't much of a threat to her. Thing is, I'm "possessive" myself, and I don't want any other guys near her if there's the slightest whiff of danger to me, so although her outbursts are hard to endure, they also make me feel secure, because I know that I can easily remind her of her own vulnerability if I have to ask her to protect me in a similar way, and because I get the chance to demonstrate to her how a decent person responds sensitively to a jealous mate's plight. I don't know if I'd have been able to cope with a problem she gave me about jealousy, if I hadn't known that she herself was deeply scared of my exes.

I'm not saying you don't need to work on the extremes of your anxieties. Just that if the other partner doesn't see the need to be very patient and reassuring with jealousy and paranoia problems, you probably won't be able to solve them on their own.

I'd also study anger management if I were you. There are much better ways of getting people to help you in your hour of need than losing your temper and attacking them. I think the anger management issue is more worrying than the underlying jealousy. I can be uncommonly jealous myself, but I try to get results by raising my eyebrows rather than the roof. In the past I've railed at partners and made them feel really stifled, and they've ended up thinking the only problem is my abusiveness and jealousy, when if I'd just stayed firm but fair, they might have ended up agreeing with me.

I'm also not at all convinced that my uncommon jealousy is such a wrong way to be. Aspies often have a lot of trouble reading body language etc., so they can't easily judge whether a situation their partner wants to get into is sexually safe or not. If you're scared of going to a party, it means you don't trust the people there. If yur partner goes, they are going to a scary place and so you're bound to worry about them. To them it makes no sense because to them it's not scary at all......they need to try empathising with you, then they would understand. Most of my life I felt hurt, angry and scared if my partner did this or that, but I never knew quite what it was that I felt so bad about, and I never told people how I felt, I thought I was just being stupid, but I couldn't let go of a need to stop it happening, even if it meant controlling the partner. These days I've read about emotional infidelity and I can see how my partners were in fact crossing lines, and that I had every right to call them out for it. It was my Aspie mind-blindness and my insecurity about the validity of my needs that did the damage.


Thank you for your input.

Thing is she was talking to this chick she is now with for months before we broke up, I never knew about it until after and though she swears they were just friends, I am not so sure there weren't more to it than that. Also...she has cheated on ALL her boy/girlfriends before me, she told me herself and she would sleep with anyone who even looked her way, again...she told me this. She said I changed her, but I am having a really hard time believing that.

And I might be a little bit insane sometimes, but her family is nuts, they made threats against me even before things went bad between me and her, I think that is what destroyed us too, because once my family found out about them threathening to throw me off a bridge and knock my teeth out and drive me to suicide, they wanted nothing to do with them, making a future for her and me difficult.

So it was a lot more complicated than just my jealousy issues.


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16 Feb 2012, 10:20 am

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You acted insane and terrible. I dont think its related to autism. You should get help, therapy, because if you dont work on these issues of yours you will never be able to have a healthy relationship. Being extremely controlling and jealous is something you really can work on, and have to.
Btw isnt this how really abusive relationships start out, with controlling the other person like that? NOT saying you're abusive, just a thought. Its clearly not healthy. Since you realise that you're behavior is wrong, you have good chance at being able to correct it. Good luck!


I know what I did was wrong. No doubt about it. I am past it now though, my behavior is temporary at best, she brought it out in me, I am usually a very kind and generous person. And I have to say what I did was justified to an extent. Because of her behavior. None of you know her, none of you knew how she acted. Or her past behavior of sleeping around and cheating on ALL her past partners. When she drank she got abusive physically, she would hit me and she would flirt with anyone. She has no friends that she hasn't slept with and then she expected me to be fine with her having sleepovers with them? Especially when I knew they would be drinking and how she gets once she's drunk. Sorry but...I am not an idiot. I knew what would happen, so yeah...I asked her to stay home, but I never forced her to do anything. And I did it to protect our relationship against her drunken stupidity. I didn't want her doing something that would ruin everything and I knew she would because she has no control over herself when she drinks.

She's got a best friend, Rebecca. This chick has been with a guy for 6 years. Sarah know him too. She still chose to sleep with Rebecca multiple times and they never told her boyfriend about this, which means they are lying to his face and mocking him behind his back. Rebecca is not a good influence, so I just suggested she found other friends, I never said she couldn't have any or never see people. It was just her choice of people that concerned me.

She is very insecure. I am not the one who is. I had to constantly tell her that she was pretty. She never believed me. I tried. Every day. She doesn't believe she is worth anything because she had a bad childhood with fosterhomes and parents who drank and did drugs, her family ruined her, I just tried to save her. And yeah, change her. Because she was heading down the wrong path. But I couldn't.


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16 Feb 2012, 5:36 pm

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You have to realize that relationships aren't all about you and your feelings. They should be as much about the other person and their feelings and needs, as they are about you and your feelings and needs.


Well I know Aspies are mearly impossible to have relationships, much the same rule with Autism and Downs as well, and I happen to be someone that is an example of not having long relationships because the females see my disorder even without second guessing or me speaking.



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16 Feb 2012, 8:12 pm

Though I am not a lesbian or a female...
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Where was I... Ah, yes. I think that this is something I should reflect on as it can be likely that I could have acted this way unintentionally... due to fear of losing the feeling shared between one and another.


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17 Feb 2012, 5:03 am

KianaKitter wrote:
Thing is she was talking to this chick she is now with for months before we broke up, I never knew about it until after and though she swears they were just friends, I am not so sure there weren't more to it than that. Also...she has cheated on ALL her boy/girlfriends before me, she told me herself and she would sleep with anyone who even looked her way, again...she told me this.

So she really was a dangerous choice of partner all the time, and your anxieties were rational.

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She said I changed her, but I am having a really hard time believing that.

It's very hard to trust somebody who has such a history, and very risky too, in my experience. Three of my partners betrayed me. The same three, and only those three, had a history of betraying their partners before I came along. I appreciated their honesty when they told me about it, but sadly it didn't mean that they had changed. When we went through rough patches, they preferred to get involved with other men behind my back rather than work through the problems with me.

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her family is nuts, they made threats against me even before things went bad between me and her, I think that is what destroyed us too, because once my family found out about them threathening to throw me off a bridge and knock my teeth out and drive me to suicide, they wanted nothing to do with them, making a future for her and me difficult.

If her family is so cruel and so hopeless at conflict resolution that they have to resort to death threats, she would have grown up with some bad personality flaws, I would imagine.

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So it was a lot more complicated than just my jealousy issues.

Yes I thought that might be the case. You seem to have a pretty accurate, balanced view of the situation.



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17 Feb 2012, 11:27 am

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Thing is she was talking to this chick she is now with for months before we broke up, I never knew about it until after and though she swears they were just friends, I am not so sure there weren't more to it than that. Also...she has cheated on ALL her boy/girlfriends before me, she told me herself and she would sleep with anyone who even looked her way, again...she told me this.

So she really was a dangerous choice of partner all the time, and your anxieties were rational.

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She said I changed her, but I am having a really hard time believing that.

It's very hard to trust somebody who has such a history, and very risky too, in my experience. Three of my partners betrayed me. The same three, and only those three, had a history of betraying their partners before I came along. I appreciated their honesty when they told me about it, but sadly it didn't mean that they had changed. When we went through rough patches, they preferred to get involved with other men behind my back rather than work through the problems with me.

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her family is nuts, they made threats against me even before things went bad between me and her, I think that is what destroyed us too, because once my family found out about them threathening to throw me off a bridge and knock my teeth out and drive me to suicide, they wanted nothing to do with them, making a future for her and me difficult.

If her family is so cruel and so hopeless at conflict resolution that they have to resort to death threats, she would have grown up with some bad personality flaws, I would imagine.

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So it was a lot more complicated than just my jealousy issues.

Yes I thought that might be the case. You seem to have a pretty accurate, balanced view of the situation.


Yeah well. She didn't tell me about her past before months into the relationship, after I had already fallen in love with her. I don't think I would have gotten together with her had I known before. Just too risky for my blood. But I loved her and I wanted to believe that I could change her. For 1 year and a ½ I tried. It was ups and downs all the time. Sure we had our good times but they didn't make up for the bad. Guess I just didn't want to give up.

And usually I am very good a relatioships, my autism considering. I may not have had many, because I don't get involved with anyone unless I feel "THAT" connection and it's rare I run into that, but when I do meet someone I could have a future with, I go for it and those relationships have lasted years. My longest one was 3½ years. This one with her...with Sarah just got totally out of hand, probably because I never know when to just say stop and throw in the towel.


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17 Feb 2012, 11:50 am

One of my relationships was like that. I thought I could change her. I agree it's often hard to accept that somebody just isn't going to measure up.



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17 Feb 2012, 11:55 am

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One of my relationships was like that. I thought I could change her. I agree it's often hard to accept that somebody just isn't going to measure up.


Indeed...it's so hard to say goodbye :(


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17 Feb 2012, 12:10 pm

Jealousy happens when you only consider your own thoughts and feelings. We like to be in control and we like everything to work the way we think it should. Most meltdowns happen because people aren't understanding you and things aren't going how you'd like, even after you've insisted.

It's a kind of immaturity but how to get beyond it is beyond me. I'm too reactionary.

I'm sorry for your loss but some things just don't work out. Move on, eh? Do your best to let it go but don't forget. Hopefully, you'll do better next time. Counseling could provide you with new perspectives and ideas focused on your issues.


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17 Feb 2012, 10:48 pm

Based on what you've said, this was an abusive relationship (she called you names and hit you? NEVER acceptable) and it's best that it's over. I agree with the others that you might have some other relationship baggage that influenced your behavior aside from the AS, though I do identify with being jealous/lacking perspective (it seems alien to me that my partner would want to go to parties or whatever, but I'm happy enough staying home without him because, well, I LIKE alone time and I know he needs to be a social butterfly).

Anyway. I hope you'll get some help AND find someone who treats you with more respect.



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20 Feb 2012, 5:45 am

unduki wrote:
Jealousy happens when you only consider your own thoughts and feelings.

In my experience, jealousy more often happens when the one who is causing the jealousy is not considering the thoughts and feelings of their partner, and I think that's what has happened to the original poster here. I agree that Aspie mind-blindness can make safe situations seem very unknown and dangerous, and that in those cases, a good appraisal of the people's true feelings could calm things down, but it's not going to happen. If you can't "read" the signs of emotional fidelity/infidelity, you would be taking an uncalculated risk by allowing partners to do whatever they liked with potential sexual rivals. Any partner who expects such blind faith is possibly up to no good.



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