05 Mar 2013, 5:15 pm
Philosoraptor wrote:
This sounds more like tips on how to avoid persecution by the Spanish Inquisition. 
It's what the "civilized" world has become...
[grumbling]those-gawdamn-oversensitive-manipulating-razzinfrazz...
"Free speech for me - but not for thee!"
I'd better add that Tyrion's right about not maxing sexual comments - period. That won't stop troublemakers from stirring the pot, but it'll leave you blameless.
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05 Mar 2013, 7:01 pm
Fnord wrote:
TornadoEvil wrote:
Philosoraptor wrote:
Fnord wrote:
The general rules are: Don't speak to them; Don't look at them; and Don't touch them / Keep your distance.
Ignore them, even when they say, "Hello" first (just say, "Hello" if you have to, but keep doing what you're doing).
If they need help with something at work, focus on the task, and then go your separate ways when the task is finished.
Carry a book or manual with you at all times, so that when you're in their presence with nothing to do, you will at least have something to stare at besides them.
Make no comments about or to them. If pressed for an opinion by a third party (who is likely trying to stir up trouble), just say "She seems nice" and leave it at that.
This sounds more like tips on how to avoid persecution by the Spanish Inquisition. Ignore them, even when they say, "Hello" first (just say, "Hello" if you have to, but keep doing what you're doing).
If they need help with something at work, focus on the task, and then go your separate ways when the task is finished.
Carry a book or manual with you at all times, so that when you're in their presence with nothing to do, you will at least have something to stare at besides them.
Make no comments about or to them. If pressed for an opinion by a third party (who is likely trying to stir up trouble), just say "She seems nice" and leave it at that.
No one expects to be brought up on charges of harassment, either.
Back in the day, I used to enter the office (at another company) by the front door and say, "Good Morning" to the receptionist. That was all of the contact I had with her on a daily basis. One day, I was called into the boss's office because the receptionist had filed a complaint of harassment against me, saying that my "constant attention" was "obviously flirtatious" and that I was causing a "hostile working environment". The boss told me to undergo a week's worth of sensitivity training or lose my job.
After the ordeal, I returned to work, using the loading dock to enter the building and saying nothing to anyone - I just did my job without speaking (if I could avoid speaking at all). A few weeks later, I was called into the boss's office again because the receptionist had filed another complaint of harassment against me, saying that my "silent treatment" was "obviously hostile" and that I was causing a "hostile working environment". The boss handed me a box, told me to collect my personal property and leave the building.
So, even if you do nothing, you can still be charged with harassment.
I find this story very hard to believe
05 Mar 2013, 7:04 pm
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05 Mar 2013, 7:07 pm
nessa238 wrote:
Fnord wrote:
TornadoEvil wrote:
Philosoraptor wrote:
Fnord wrote:
The general rules are: Don't speak to them; Don't look at them; and Don't touch them / Keep your distance.
Ignore them, even when they say, "Hello" first (just say, "Hello" if you have to, but keep doing what you're doing).
If they need help with something at work, focus on the task, and then go your separate ways when the task is finished.
Carry a book or manual with you at all times, so that when you're in their presence with nothing to do, you will at least have something to stare at besides them.
Make no comments about or to them. If pressed for an opinion by a third party (who is likely trying to stir up trouble), just say "She seems nice" and leave it at that.
This sounds more like tips on how to avoid persecution by the Spanish Inquisition. Ignore them, even when they say, "Hello" first (just say, "Hello" if you have to, but keep doing what you're doing).
If they need help with something at work, focus on the task, and then go your separate ways when the task is finished.
Carry a book or manual with you at all times, so that when you're in their presence with nothing to do, you will at least have something to stare at besides them.
Make no comments about or to them. If pressed for an opinion by a third party (who is likely trying to stir up trouble), just say "She seems nice" and leave it at that.
No one expects to be brought up on charges of harassment, either.
Back in the day, I used to enter the office (at another company) by the front door and say, "Good Morning" to the receptionist. That was all of the contact I had with her on a daily basis. One day, I was called into the boss's office because the receptionist had filed a complaint of harassment against me, saying that my "constant attention" was "obviously flirtatious" and that I was causing a "hostile working environment". The boss told me to undergo a week's worth of sensitivity training or lose my job.
After the ordeal, I returned to work, using the loading dock to enter the building and saying nothing to anyone - I just did my job without speaking (if I could avoid speaking at all). A few weeks later, I was called into the boss's office again because the receptionist had filed another complaint of harassment against me, saying that my "silent treatment" was "obviously hostile" and that I was causing a "hostile working environment". The boss handed me a box, told me to collect my personal property and leave the building.
So, even if you do nothing, you can still be charged with harassment.
I find this story very hard to believe
I bet he stared at her boobs the first time, or commented on her appearance, and then insulted her, confronted her, or was rude/hostile the second time. I've even heard of men sending threatening letters in similar circumstances. Stories like this usually omit important details. If she was really vindictive, it's possible she said good morning, and he simply walked past her, or turned his back on her deliberately. But I think even this would be unlikely to result in sexual harassment charges.
Simply smiling and saying good morning is not sexual harassment. There must be more to the story.
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05 Mar 2013, 7:08 pm
05 Mar 2013, 7:11 pm
Tyri0n wrote:
nessa238 wrote:
Fnord wrote:
TornadoEvil wrote:
Philosoraptor wrote:
Fnord wrote:
The general rules are: Don't speak to them; Don't look at them; and Don't touch them / Keep your distance.
Ignore them, even when they say, "Hello" first (just say, "Hello" if you have to, but keep doing what you're doing).
If they need help with something at work, focus on the task, and then go your separate ways when the task is finished.
Carry a book or manual with you at all times, so that when you're in their presence with nothing to do, you will at least have something to stare at besides them.
Make no comments about or to them. If pressed for an opinion by a third party (who is likely trying to stir up trouble), just say "She seems nice" and leave it at that.
This sounds more like tips on how to avoid persecution by the Spanish Inquisition. Ignore them, even when they say, "Hello" first (just say, "Hello" if you have to, but keep doing what you're doing).
If they need help with something at work, focus on the task, and then go your separate ways when the task is finished.
Carry a book or manual with you at all times, so that when you're in their presence with nothing to do, you will at least have something to stare at besides them.
Make no comments about or to them. If pressed for an opinion by a third party (who is likely trying to stir up trouble), just say "She seems nice" and leave it at that.
No one expects to be brought up on charges of harassment, either.
Back in the day, I used to enter the office (at another company) by the front door and say, "Good Morning" to the receptionist. That was all of the contact I had with her on a daily basis. One day, I was called into the boss's office because the receptionist had filed a complaint of harassment against me, saying that my "constant attention" was "obviously flirtatious" and that I was causing a "hostile working environment". The boss told me to undergo a week's worth of sensitivity training or lose my job.
After the ordeal, I returned to work, using the loading dock to enter the building and saying nothing to anyone - I just did my job without speaking (if I could avoid speaking at all). A few weeks later, I was called into the boss's office again because the receptionist had filed another complaint of harassment against me, saying that my "silent treatment" was "obviously hostile" and that I was causing a "hostile working environment". The boss handed me a box, told me to collect my personal property and leave the building.
So, even if you do nothing, you can still be charged with harassment.
I find this story very hard to believe
I bet he stared at her boobs the first time, or commented on her appearance, and then insulted her, confronted her, or was rude/hostile the second time. I've even heard of men sending threatening letters in similar circumstances. Stories like this usually omit important details. If she was really vindictive, it's possible she said good morning, and he simply walked past her, or turned his back on her deliberately. But I think even this would be unlikely to result in sexual harassment charges.
Simply smiling and saying good morning is not sexual harassment. There must be more to the story.
Agreed
I just find it very hard to believe a simple 'Good morning' would cause such an excessive response
Unless it was said in the manner of Austin Powers ie in an OTT suggestive manner perhaps?
05 Mar 2013, 7:12 pm
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