Someone's kid being a reason to not wanna date them?

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23 Dec 2013, 1:25 pm

It isn't so bad if the kids are grown up and living on their own ... until they lose their jobs, get divorced, or get released on parole, and suddenly momma has to take them in so that her hubby can support them.



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27 Apr 2014, 12:26 am

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So first off, in no way am I saying that if you have a kid that makes you untouchable or a bad person or anything. I'm just simply making this post as a matter of venting I guess and seeing what other peoples' opinions are on the matter. Last year about this time a girl randomly messaged on Plenty of Fish. To this day shes been like one of 3 people to ever so such a thing and about only one out of 4 people I've met in real life as a result of that site. We hung out for most of the day but after that we kinda lost touch because her cell was disconnected shortly later. She gave me her house phone to call while she was with her parents, but at the time I wasn't off work till 10:30 at night which meant it was near 11 PM when I got home and I didn't think her parents would appreciate the phone ringing at that hour. She had brought her kid that time but he was barely a year old so mostly all he did was sleep the whole time and I barely knew he was there. I got back in touch with her this Sept and we started hanging out a lot more. I doubt it'll turn into anything dating wise, I think part of why she invited me over so much is because she just wants a friend or someone to talk too, and I'm lucky to even have a girl acknowledge my existence in real life after they know that I'm autistic so I guess I'm not complaining. Anyways, her kid is now a couple months short of turning 2, obviously a big difference between how he is now with when I first hung out with her.

Her baby daddy has never been in the picture, she got married to someone else then divorced less than 2 years later, it was actually a few months before I first hung out with her. The way I see it, at that point when the kid wasn't even one then he probably didn't have enough sense of awareness to be attached to anyone else but her, and now that she lives alone in her appt and can't drive he seems to have what I call this really unhealthy attachment to her. Since I've been over there so often he refers to me by name and wants me to play with him and stuff, but if hes cranky or in a bad mood its nearly unbearable to be around there. If he notices shes gone or not there he'll throw a nuclear meltdown bad enough to where if hes in a mood she can't even go to the bathroom by herself for less than 45 seconds without him about ready to nearly kick the bathroom door down or rip it off its hinges. She still breast feeds him, granted I'm no expert in raising kids so maybe I don't know what I'm talking about here, but to me that almost seems a little old to still be doing that at nearly 2 years, and the major problem is they sleep in the same bed together. So the problem is he won't go to bed unless shes laying there with him and he can't just go to sleep either, he'll have to keep switching sides every 10 seconds. It can take us 3 hours to watch an hour and half long movie when shes trying to put him to bed, and if he wakes up during that time its back to step 1, because he won't just fall back asleep. If she doesn't get a handle on some of these things now I think the kid is gonna turn into even more of a monster.

She tells me quite often that I'm like the only person that can be alone with him and he won't flip out much. Sometimes she could step outside her appt to go take the trash out to her dumpster or do her laundry and he'd be ok with me with a movie on or playing toys with him, but if he was in a mood he'd just throw a screaming tantrum by the door and keep trying to get it open. He's not strong enough to pull the front door open as its a heavy door, but he knows that the locks have something to do with making it open, so its only a matter of time till hes able to open it and at that point I think the only thing stopping him would be to physically restrain him away from the door....

Last week she got a job, mind you she hasn't had one since before she got pregnant. He has to be in day care while shes gone for 8 hours and thats probably the longest hes had to be away with her. I hadn't seen her for a week and 2 days (mind you I was seeing her like 4 days a week or more prior to this). Needless to say his unhealthy attachment to her is like 10 times worse now because now if she goes somewhere he thinks that she'll be gone for hours now. I went there to see her after not being over there for that long and I cannot believe after only a short time how much more of a monster this kid is now. Hes picked up on all these bad things/habits from the other kids (mostly the "mine" thing) and now if she steps out of her appt for 3 mins or so to do thing things I mentioned earlier its just an instant screaming tantrum the entire time till she comes back. She tells me to just try to distract him with a toy or something, which prior to all this may have worked, but now he just throws it on the ground and goes right back to the door screaming and trying get the door open. I actually went home that night after all his screaming and everything with a migraine bad enough to where I had to take pills and I never take pills unless I really have too so that tells you something.....

Again, I don't know if this girl is dating material or not, she tells me I'm her best friend, but has never led me to believe she'd want anymore then that. I'm used to it because I've gone practically my whole life with no romance other then a few brief moments here and there throughout my life. But her kid right now is enough of a deterrent that I've actually resented going over there to see her now because as much as I miss her, I'd rather not have to deal with her kid and his screaming and everything. Hanging with her as often as I have has really opened my eyes about having kids, and I can tell you right now that I'm in no rush to have any, and sadly may not want any at all. Because if I can barely handle someone else entrusting me to watch their kid for 5 mins, what am I supposed to do when its my own? I'm at an age right now where finding a girl close to my age is a rare gem, and I think in my city its even worse because most of the population it seems got pregnant right after high school and had multiple kids before they even turned 21 so at times I feel like I'm doomed because I'd rather find someone that doesn't have a kid, but that seems very few and far here.


http://happybachelors.wordpress.com/2010/07/28/the-rough-guide-to-single-moms/



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27 Apr 2014, 1:42 am

Can someone summarize this?

Personally I wouldn't want to date someone with a kid unless I had kids. People shouldn't feel bad if they feel that way.



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27 Apr 2014, 3:17 am

Kids come first, golden rule. If you want someone who can give you the monopoly on their time and energy date someone without kids. Really it's just hidden resentment for the child because the mum has no time to make you number one.

I won't date single dads but it's not due to the kids, it's because I don't want to deal with all the post-matrimonial drama and baggage.



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27 Apr 2014, 3:19 am

I don't want to take responsibility for kids that aren't even mine just to get with a woman sorry. Too much headache and added responsibility Id rather take responsibility for having my own kids.


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27 Apr 2014, 5:58 pm

RICKY5 wrote:


Randomly clicking on another blog from the same author gave me a rather different perspective than just reading the first part of the linked blog. The guy's messed up in the head. You resurrected this 4 month-dead topic just to post that steaming heap of misogyny, RICKY5?



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27 Apr 2014, 10:40 pm

Sounds like a typical 2 year old to me. And yes experts recommend breast feeding until at least 2. But it doesn't sound like you need to be in a romantic relationship with her. You don't love the kid, they are a package deal.



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28 Apr 2014, 1:34 am

I've had numerous girlfriends with kids.

1) The kids are not your kids and never will be. At about age 14, they will scream in your face, "You're not my dad!"

2) You will be expected to do the duties of their father, without the rights or authority of a father. This can be very precarious, since school officials and police will see you as an intruder in a family matter.

3) Directly or indirectly, you will end up supporting the kids.

4) When problems happen, you will be an unwelcome guest in your own home. When the kids are in trouble, your wife/girlfriend will tell you "We need some family time." Which means, you are not part of the family and you should leave for a while.

Infinity) Lots of other reasons.

The bottom line is, if you are going to get involved with someone who has kids, don't get married, don't comingle your finances or property, and have an escape plan.



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28 Apr 2014, 5:30 am

SoftwareEngineer wrote:
The bottom line is, if you are going to get involved with someone who has kids, don't get married, don't comingle your finances or property, and have an escape plan.


Sounds romantic. :D
If you go in with that mindset, better not go in at all.



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28 Apr 2014, 10:17 am

I've all ready raised mine so I don't feel like doing it again.When I was on OKstupid I did get several messages from men with kids who openly said they were looking for a mom for their kids.I suppose since I have an empty nest they think I want it refilled.
I enjoy my peace and quiet way to much,you don't have that with rug rats.


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28 Apr 2014, 11:56 am

I think we are ready to do the math.

trollcatman wrote:
SoftwareEngineer wrote:
The bottom line is, if you are going to get involved with someone who has kids, don't get married, don't comingle your finances or property, and have an escape plan.


Sounds romantic. :D
If you go in with that mindset, better not go in at all.



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I've all ready raised mine so I don't feel like doing it again.When I was on OKstupid I did get several messages from men with kids who openly said they were looking for a mom for their kids.I suppose since I have an empty nest they think I want it refilled.
I enjoy my peace and quiet way to much,you don't have that with rug rats.


So, extracting and combining from the two quotes above, then logically inverting the sarcastic "Sounds romantic", we have

"If you go in with that mindset" + "I enjoy my peace and quiet way to much,you don't have that with rug rats." = "better not go in at all." + does not "Sounds romantic."

I know, the two quotes are independently and sufficiently supportive of the conclusion, but consider the "+" operator to mean "additional support." So, how's my math?



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28 Apr 2014, 7:34 pm

Children do come first. If your s/o has children, you should never expect to be "first". It's wrong. Also, you should care for those children as your own. If you don't, date someone else.

If you are a boyfriend/girlfriend, expect that the children may not see you as a mother or father yet. You also have to WORK on integrating yourself with the family. A good idea is to listen to the children, do things with them that they enjoy, so on.

My mom had plenty of boyfriends. What ended up happening is she would treat their children like her own, but we would be left out. The boyfriends had no interest in us at all, except for one. We really, really liked the one that took the time to listen to us. Also, remember: teenagers are annoying. There are some things a teenager naturally does, including yelling "I hate you!". I recommend reading parenting books and/or going to therapy to help with the inclusion if you are ever serious.

If you're not ready to be a parent, you aren't ready to date someone with children.