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27 Aug 2016, 1:45 pm

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These type of arguments always remind me of that dude who tried to "prove" women have it much easier on dating sites, so he created a false profile as a female.

Yeah, he got tons of responses, but the bulk of them were requests for hook-ups, d_ck pics, and men just generally being pigs.

It's indicative of why "more options" isn't such a peachy thing.


It's a sad distraction. It's hard enough already - it's not like the amount of time and effort put into arguing men have it worst when it comes to dating couldn't be put to better use.

The cliche of the aspie is the intelligent, hyper-rational mind, parsing arguments and ideas with disinterest. I think too often we're just better at hyper-rationalising the beliefs we're really fond of. Unfortunately the former cliche feeds into the self-conception, making it ever harder to shift bad thinking.


Bingo.

IMHO, people who think of themselves as hyper-rational really just have an annoying habit of regarding any thought that passes through their brain as an epitome of logic without bothering to examine it, or daring to question the basis of said thought.

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The problem with evolutionary psychology is not that it's particularly evil or misogynist, but that it's stupid. It's reductionist, teleological and relies on circular reasoning. Even professed Darwinians don't seem to appreciate how radically unteleological Darwinism is. I think it's why Intelligent Designers get a) confused and b) traction.

The obvious biological difference is that women can get pregnant. No need to invoke some hereditary instinct, honed through Natural Selection on the Savannah, to understand why a woman would be concerned about an unwanted pregnancy, and so perhaps a little more cautious when jumping into bed with a fella. What's remarkable is how many women, post the contraceptive pill (and before, come to that, when even the possibility of dying in childbirth and the threat of the full force of social opprobrium for being an unwed mother couldn't keep them from jumping bones), are not actually as cautious as they are supposed (as in, as is supposed of them) to be.


When I dip my toes into the murky waters of evolutionary psychology, I'm mostly just taking a long-winded approach to saying that men and women have biological differences that affect how we view the world.

Too often I see the men on here, and elsewhere, thinking that just because something would make THEM happy, that it should also make women happy. For instance, I've read posts from males insisting that women have it so much easier because we can make thousands of dollars as exotic dancers, prostitutes, or porn actors without giving much thought to the fact the majority of women are not, in fact, wh_res who are willing to throw their cat at everyone in order to make a buck.

Going back to the "women have more options" thing, yeah, freely available sex with people you don't actually care about might be something men would want, but it's not necessarily the case for women, so, being "approached" isn't always a good thing.


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27 Aug 2016, 1:48 pm

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Bingo.

IMHO, people who think of themselves as hyper-rational really just have an annoying habit of regarding any thought that passes through their brain as an epitome of logic without bothering to examine it, or daring to question the basis of said thought.

i'm sorry, but that's a fallacy and a strawman. epic fail

jk :mrgreen:

i don't even read people's posts anymore when i see those words


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27 Aug 2016, 2:03 pm

Personnaly, I want to be able to communicate with others logical, because I can't talk about this things outside of here. I am a Asperger and don't like to debate agressivily. I dislike the romance cliché as I said, but I am sentimental person also. I was a little afraid by the comments.



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27 Aug 2016, 2:06 pm

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Personnaly, I want to be able to communicate with others logical, because I can't talk about this things outside of here. I am a Asperger and don't like to debate agressivily.

there's a big difference between trying to be logical and trying to appear logical though. the latter is often the extreme opposite of the former, and it's often aggressive


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27 Aug 2016, 2:09 pm

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Personnaly, I want to be able to communicate with others logical, because I can't talk about this things outside of here. I am a Asperger and don't like to debate agressivily.

there's a big difference between trying to be logical and trying to appear logical though. the latter is often the extreme opposite of the former, and it's often aggressive


I didn't follow the entire thread. Can tell me why you say that ? I am not already fluent in english, so I need some helping for understand.



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27 Aug 2016, 2:13 pm

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This is a reminder that trolling is not permitted for any reason.

Lobstercowboy has gotten a "time out" for admitting to trolling.

Carry on.

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Did he post anything else?


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27 Aug 2016, 2:19 pm

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Personnaly, I want to be able to communicate with others logical, because I can't talk about this things outside of here. I am a Asperger and don't like to debate agressivily.

there's a big difference between trying to be logical and trying to appear logical though. the latter is often the extreme opposite of the former, and it's often aggressive


I didn't follow the entire thread. Can tell me why you say that ? I am not already fluent in english, so I need some helping for understand.



Je suppose que vous parlez français?



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27 Aug 2016, 2:23 pm

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Personnaly, I want to be able to communicate with others logical, because I can't talk about this things outside of here. I am a Asperger and don't like to debate agressivily.

there's a big difference between trying to be logical and trying to appear logical though. the latter is often the extreme opposite of the former, and it's often aggressive


I didn't follow the entire thread. Can tell me why you say that ? I am not already fluent in english, so I need some helping for understand.



Je suppose que vous parlez français?


Oui je parle français. J'avais certes compris que ce qui se déroulait relevait du non-sens, mais je n'avais pas compris que le membre trollait. Je n'ai toujours pas compris quand il a admis qu'il trollait. Pour dire vrai, c'est la partie qui me semble la plus obscure.



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27 Aug 2016, 2:24 pm

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I didn't follow the entire thread. Can tell me why you say that ? I am not already fluent in english, so I need some helping for understand.

it's a very common pattern here on wp (and also not uncommon in life in general)

if i give you any specific examples from this thread, i'll probably end up restarting the flame war. but i can give you one simple example: you just told me that you still have difficulty with english. that's the logical thing to do and say. it facilitates communication when you acknowledge your limitation. but the typical "over-logical" forum member may simply insist that it's other people who are failing to follow their language instead, and present "arguments" that "prove" that it's other people who are to blame for any misunderstanding, regardless of how limited their fluency may be. there's another thread going on right now where that exact thing is happening

it's all about rationalization. making logical deductions that are usually valid but which have very little to do with the actual point, and then concluding that they prove that point simply because they're logical, despite not being relevant. taking things out of context and pretending that context doesn't matter, when in fact context is what matters most


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27 Aug 2016, 2:26 pm

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J'avais certes compris que ce qui se déroulait relevait du non-sens, mais je n'avais pas compris que le membre trollait. Je n'ai toujours pas compris quand il a admis qu'il trollait. Pour dire vrai, c'est la partie qui me semble la plus obscure.

me neither. i'm assuming he admitted it in a personal message to a moderator


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27 Aug 2016, 2:31 pm

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Oreillomon wrote:
I didn't follow the entire thread. Can tell me why you say that ? I am not already fluent in english, so I need some helping for understand.

it's a very common pattern here on wp (and also not uncommon in life in general)

if i give you any specific examples from this thread, i'll probably end up restarting the flame war. but i can give you one simple example: you just told me that you still have difficulty with english. that's the logical thing to do and say. it facilitates communication when you acknowledge your limitation. but the typical "over-logical" forum member may simply insist that it's other people who are failing to follow their language instead, and present "arguments" that "prove" that it's other people who are to blame for any misunderstanding, regardless of how limited their fluency may be. there's another thread going on right now where that exact thing is happening

it's all about rationalization. making logical deductions that are usually valid but which have very little to do with the actual point, and then concluding that they prove that point simply because they're logical, despite not being relevant. taking things out of context and pretending that context doesn't matter, when in fact context is what matters most


I understand. As somebody talked about FA, I didn't know what they were talking about. The context is the most important thing. Myself, I stopped to understand when the words were to much complicated. Also, I didn't understand why autistic female can have facilities with lovers, if they can't communicate easily. FA autistic females are the exceptions ? I don't think so. Me, I couldn't obtain help for my school and social habilities. The context is so very important before to make generalisation.



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27 Aug 2016, 2:32 pm

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Oreillomon wrote:
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Oreillomon wrote:
Personnaly, I want to be able to communicate with others logical, because I can't talk about this things outside of here. I am a Asperger and don't like to debate agressivily.

there's a big difference between trying to be logical and trying to appear logical though. the latter is often the extreme opposite of the former, and it's often aggressive


I didn't follow the entire thread. Can tell me why you say that ? I am not already fluent in english, so I need some helping for understand.



Je suppose que vous parlez français?


Je n'ai toujours pas compris quand il a admis qu'il trollait. Pour dire vrai, c'est la partie qui me semble la plus obscure.


Franchement, moi aussi je ne trouve pas où il a admis ça - souvent les trolls n'en admettent pas.



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27 Aug 2016, 2:34 pm

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J'avais certes compris que ce qui se déroulait relevait du non-sens, mais je n'avais pas compris que le membre trollait. Je n'ai toujours pas compris quand il a admis qu'il trollait. Pour dire vrai, c'est la partie qui me semble la plus obscure.

me neither. i'm assuming he admitted it in a personal message to a moderator


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27 Aug 2016, 2:38 pm

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J'avais certes compris que ce qui se déroulait relevait du non-sens, mais je n'avais pas compris que le membre trollait. Je n'ai toujours pas compris quand il a admis qu'il trollait. Pour dire vrai, c'est la partie qui me semble la plus obscure.

me neither. i'm assuming he admitted it in a personal message to a moderator


Parles-tu français ? Je suis étonnée que tu aies compris ce que je disais.


Je crois parce qu'il Il est Italien , les Italiens souvent peuvent comprendre quelques phrases en français même s'ils ne parlent pas, leur langue est si proche de la vôtre



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27 Aug 2016, 2:44 pm

The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
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Oreillomon wrote:
J'avais certes compris que ce qui se déroulait relevait du non-sens, mais je n'avais pas compris que le membre trollait. Je n'ai toujours pas compris quand il a admis qu'il trollait. Pour dire vrai, c'est la partie qui me semble la plus obscure.

me neither. i'm assuming he admitted it in a personal message to a moderator


Parles-tu français ? Je suis étonnée que tu aies compris ce que je disais.


Je crois parce qu'il Il est Italien , les Italiens souvent peuvent comprendre quelques phrases en français même s'ils ne parlent pas, leur langue est si proche de la vôtre


Thanks for the answers. That explains all.



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27 Aug 2016, 2:46 pm

He was misunderstood quite badly a couple of times. I don't think it's any wonder that he wanted to argue or "troll" with people IMO, when he wasn't being listened to or taken seriously. As much as I appreciate the moderation here, it's not like XFilesGeek acted any better.


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