The irrational standards women have toward men

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That’s $18 an hour that’s not middle class. Middle class is like $25 ish or more.
Middle class isn’t the mid point of all the income earners it’s making a certain amount which is over 100,000 I believe.

Because my idea of the definition of loser is likely different than yours.



There are different types of averages. When women say you are an average guy they probably don't know what your income level or net worth is. They probably mean that physically and behaviorally you don't stand out.

The definition of middle class and working class will vary slightly, but according to Pew Research Center, the American middle class makes up 51% of the adult population, upper class, 21% and lower class, 29/%. Working class is not necessarily synonymous with poor or low income. The wage distribution of "blue collar" working class jobs simply has more variance than the wage distribution of "white collar" jobs, and probably a lower average which has lowered over time. But the jobs we typically associate with working class....contractors, plumbers, coal miners, oil workers, can actually be fairly well paying, at least such that the person is solidly in the middle class or even upper middle class.



I think you are confusing me with someone else. Here are all the things I have said on this thread aside from that which is stated above. I had not previously made any comments about the average guy as it relates to income level on this thread.





Did I not just propose we not help? Yes I did...



However in reply to your last comment, when you post in a public forum you do not get to choose what kind of replies you get. You might get replies that you find helpful, regardless of their intent, and you might get replies that you find the opposite of helpful, regardless of their intent. That is the nature of posting in a public forum. It would be unreasonable to expect other people to only say things that make you feel better even if they intend to make you feel better...how can they know what you need to hear if you don't even know? If you knew, you could say it to yourself and make yourself feel better.

I don't see how stating truths is condemning. I think it far more condemning for a man who does not have super model features to think that only men with super model features get women, or a man who is not rich to think that only rich men get women, and so on, and this is the state of mankind, when it's very obviously not true.

If I never acknowledged I was fat, I would still be fat today. I had to look in the mirror and say to myself "I'm not chubby, I'm, not a little overweight, I'm fat and nothing is going to make me look slim but losing weight"

If I never faced the fact that I struggled with math, I never would have obtained any of my degrees and learned the wonderful things about the universe that I learned.

If I never acknowledged my social short comings and other things related to ASD, and instead prescribed to the notion that I was the nicest person in the world and society was just mean, and cruel, and unfair, and had "irrational standards" I never would have made the progress in life that I did. I would be in a group home feeling absolutely miserable all the time and having having melt downs over basic, every day things.

I do not prescribe to delusions because delusions are not helpful. There are plenty of guys here who realize that and they might still be struggling but at least they know what they need to work on and are trying. As long as you know what you need to improve and make an effort to do so, you give yourself a chance.

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This.

Thank you. You have made some very good posts as well.

I just want to point out (because I feel the need to I guess) that Middle Class is actually dependent upon state. The term "middle class" also is a bit of a misnomer because it implies that you're well off enough to be comfortable, but that's rarely the case. For example in California: "Middle Class Lower Bound" is around $40k, which means realistically that you're poor because the Median Income (the difference between what you bring home vs your cost of living) is $60k. "Middle Class Upper Bound" is around $120k which is enough to have a real house (not a manufactured...read: mobile home... home, and enough money in the bank to pay necessary bills such as phone, transportation, internet, food, debt and utilities) and have a little extra on the side for savings and fun.
So economic class systems really need a revamp entirely.

Not at 40 hours per week it's not.

That’s true but not equally between men and women:

http://disinfo.com/2011/02/one-out-of-t ... ve-is-dad/

I realized while watching TV; women don't want financial stability or someone to communicate openly with. The only thing that can truly make a woman happy is a everbrite stick light.

50k is definitely middle class worthy salary. Definitely. It’s well above minimum wage, at least here.

Class has little to do with gross or net income, as someone else stated. Plumbers in my home town make over 80k and are still usually considered working class, depending on their education and their parents education, whereas someone else might make $45k and be considered middle class.

You can’t blame people for their class, they’re pretty much born into it.

Who is richer? Someone who makes 100k a year but his expenses are 90k/year or someone who makes 30K a year but can save 15k/year?

It also depends on the region someone lives in. Living in Manhattan costs much more than living in Detroit. 50k would be considered poor/working class level in the more developed cities of US.

Like I said, your net income does not dictate your class. If the guy with high living expenses and a high salary grew up in a middle class family, the odds are he will be middle class whether he is broke at the end of the day or not.

That makes no sense.

Maybe like others who have posted the exact same thing, the only females you see as 'women' are the super social ones who are involved with popular culture, like its literally the only kind of woman some of you focus on. just hoping one of those gems will pick you up and carry you around....what about women who aren't like that, like the one you might find sitting on the dock contemplating about how no one relates to her. Just seems like sometimes guys here face rejection with typical women who fit typical sterotypes and don't even acknowledge women who don't fit that catagory. I mean there are aspergers women and even neurotypical who have a hard time finding a good relationship with someone who really cares....but of course if you're just after some 'hottie' these girls don't have a chance with you either. I mean the amount of times I've seen things like 'overweight woman who I go out of my way to flirt with actually want something more, how do I tell them they are fat and ugly and I want nothing to do with them? type posts, well how-about not having flirted with them and given them the wrong idea that you would be ok with a heavier person. Most of those I see my thoughts are...well why the f**k did you lead her on if you thought she was a fat, ugly, cow like you called her towards the end.

Like those shady kind of guys who call their girlfriends b*****s and/or whores whenever they are unhappy with them.

Studies suggest that women are not only irrational in the sense of dating and partner selection but also in money management and business skills.

You're not far from the truth, I dare say. Based on what little experience I have on the forefront of love, it's almost like a dimension of its own - it doesn't follow any ruleset. It can literally strike when you least expect it.

But that's as far as I'm willing to derail this thread.

Yes it does, have you ever heard the saying "You can take the guy out of the ghetto, but you can't take the ghetto out of the guy"? Well it's basically saying you can't buy class.