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10 Feb 2017, 3:18 pm

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One thing that has always shocked me about the UK is how horrible people can be to each other there. So I think for you, there might be a big cultural element in the way you are being treated.


As an outsider perspective, I perceive all Anglo English-speaking cultures, the UK, US, OZ, and NZ as one big same mega-culture. Same language (with slight dialect differences), same values, similar art works and music types, same many things; the differences overall are slight despite distance. The similarities outweighs the differences.

Arab cultures for instance are by far less homogeneous than the Anglo cultures; historically (descendants from too many different ancient civilizations) , linguistically ("Dialects" differ a lot, it's more than just simple 'dialects') , artistically (music and others), social values (Look for example at the women in Saudi Arabia vs women in Tunisia or Lebanon or even Egypt), and even political values wise. The differences are very striking, hence unity is impossible in my opinion.


US AUS and UK culture is very different. In the UK being loud or talking to strangers is seen as weird and uncomfortabke whereas Americans don't seem to see it that way. Also apparently cat-calling is a thing in American and it doesn't happen here. Plus the whole guns being restricted thing. People thing guns are banned in england but that isn't the case.

If you ever meet a passionate aussie or American they will be pissed at being called something else. Even in the UK there are massive differences between English, Scottish, and the Welsh.


And what are those massive differences at the present?



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10 Feb 2017, 3:30 pm

Alliekit wrote:
The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
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One thing that has always shocked me about the UK is how horrible people can be to each other there. So I think for you, there might be a big cultural element in the way you are being treated.


As an outsider perspective, I perceive all Anglo English-speaking cultures, the UK, US, OZ, and NZ as one big same mega-culture. Same language (with slight dialect differences), same values, similar art works and music types, same many things; the differences overall are slight despite distance. The similarities outweighs the differences.

Arab cultures for instance are by far less homogeneous than the Anglo cultures; historically (descendants from too many different ancient civilizations) , linguistically ("Dialects" differ a lot, it's more than just simple 'dialects') , artistically (music and others), social values (Look for example at the women in Saudi Arabia vs women in Tunisia or Lebanon or even Egypt), and even political values wise. The differences are very striking, hence unity is impossible in my opinion.


US AUS and UK culture is very different. In the UK being loud or talking to strangers is seen as weird and uncomfortabke whereas Americans don't seem to see it that way. Also apparently cat-calling is a thing in American and it doesn't happen here. Plus the whole guns being restricted thing. People thing guns are banned in england but that isn't the case.

If you ever meet a passionate aussie or American they will be pissed at being called something else. Even in the UK there are massive differences between English, Scottish, and the Welsh.


The problem with saying a country does this or that is, it can end up being a stereotype. Where it may be true some Americans do the things you say there are over 324 million of us from every culture and country around the world. I like to think I am passionate about my country, but not in the brash American stereotypical way. I don't like when people are loud, it's obnoxious. I don't talk to strangers unless I need to, I may not be the stereotypical type. I would never catcall, it's disrespectful, though yes, it is something that does happen though I have never once seen it happen except for in movies, but I don't live in a big city either. I don't personally own any guns, though my father is quite fond of them, I personally just don't see the appeal. I live in a stand your ground law state and I don't feel safer, if I were to defend myself and get shot and killed in the process they could try to claim it was self defense. I live very close to where Trayvon Martin was shot and killed. From my limited understanding there are, like your own country, subcultures depending on what part of the country you are in. We are after all, called the United States of America. But to your point our cultures are very different, unfortunately all cultures are going to get stereotyped to a degree.


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10 Feb 2017, 4:21 pm

The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
Alliekit wrote:
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One thing that has always shocked me about the UK is how horrible people can be to each other there. So I think for you, there might be a big cultural element in the way you are being treated.


As an outsider perspective, I perceive all Anglo English-speaking cultures, the UK, US, OZ, and NZ as one big same mega-culture. Same language (with slight dialect differences), same values, similar art works and music types, same many things; the differences overall are slight despite distance. The similarities outweighs the differences.

Arab cultures for instance are by far less homogeneous than the Anglo cultures; historically (descendants from too many different ancient civilizations) , linguistically ("Dialects" differ a lot, it's more than just simple 'dialects') , artistically (music and others), social values (Look for example at the women in Saudi Arabia vs women in Tunisia or Lebanon or even Egypt), and even political values wise. The differences are very striking, hence unity is impossible in my opinion.


US AUS and UK culture is very different. In the UK being loud or talking to strangers is seen as weird and uncomfortabke whereas Americans don't seem to see it that way. Also apparently cat-calling is a thing in American and it doesn't happen here. Plus the whole guns being restricted thing. People thing guns are banned in england but that isn't the case.

If you ever meet a passionate aussie or American they will be pissed at being called something else. Even in the UK there are massive differences between English, Scottish, and the Welsh.


And what are those massive differences at the present?


English people (at least southerners) are very private and keep to themselves. News is kept between a couple of very close relatives, they can also be snobby (not on purpose). Further north you go they become more traditional and have more working class values (big families, early marriages, lower wages) and everyone is too friendly. Little scottish ladies tackle you into hugs (which is a southern english persons worst nightmare). Also women are different, southern english women are very career driven and often take on male roles whereas further north they still take on more traditional roles.

Maybe i exaggerated by saying massive but maybe you shouldn't make assumptions as an outsider, as i would not make assumptions about arab cultures (which seem mostly similar to me)



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10 Feb 2017, 4:25 pm

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Alliekit wrote:
The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
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One thing that has always shocked me about the UK is how horrible people can be to each other there. So I think for you, there might be a big cultural element in the way you are being treated.


As an outsider perspective, I perceive all Anglo English-speaking cultures, the UK, US, OZ, and NZ as one big same mega-culture. Same language (with slight dialect differences), same values, similar art works and music types, same many things; the differences overall are slight despite distance. The similarities outweighs the differences.

Arab cultures for instance are by far less homogeneous than the Anglo cultures; historically (descendants from too many different ancient civilizations) , linguistically ("Dialects" differ a lot, it's more than just simple 'dialects') , artistically (music and others), social values (Look for example at the women in Saudi Arabia vs women in Tunisia or Lebanon or even Egypt), and even political values wise. The differences are very striking, hence unity is impossible in my opinion.


US AUS and UK culture is very different. In the UK being loud or talking to strangers is seen as weird and uncomfortabke whereas Americans don't seem to see it that way. Also apparently cat-calling is a thing in American and it doesn't happen here. Plus the whole guns being restricted thing. People thing guns are banned in england but that isn't the case.

If you ever meet a passionate aussie or American they will be pissed at being called something else. Even in the UK there are massive differences between English, Scottish, and the Welsh.


The problem with saying a country does this or that is, it can end up being a stereotype. Where it may be true some Americans do the things you say there are over 324 million of us from every culture and country around the world. I like to think I am passionate about my country, but not in the brash American stereotypical way. I don't like when people are loud, it's obnoxious. I don't talk to strangers unless I need to, I may not be the stereotypical type. I would never catcall, it's disrespectful, though yes, it is something that does happen though I have never once seen it happen except for in movies, but I don't live in a big city either. I don't personally own any guns, though my father is quite fond of them, I personally just don't see the appeal. I live in a stand your ground law state and I don't feel safer, if I were to defend myself and get shot and killed in the process they could try to claim it was self defense. I live very close to where Trayvon Martin was shot and killed. From my limited understanding there are, like your own country, subcultures depending on what part of the country you are in. We are after all, called the United States of America. But to your point our cultures are very different, unfortunately all cultures are going to get stereotyped to a degree.


I dunno, maybe for her and you there are some massive differences - but if we talk about language at least, I don't see really massive differences in American English vs English English and Oz English.....ok there are some differences in pronunciation and some different terms for the same things; but that's it, it's same language overall, same grammar, same vocabulary, same structuring of phrases. Even I can understand them all. I get it that some talk Scot and Welsh but those are almost-extinct languages spoken by very few, like the Syriac now in the Middle East.

Not the case with the spoken dialects of Arabic (Not the written form of Arabic) for instance, they don't share the same grammar and phrase structure rules even! And many words are completely different.

This video explains the issue:


and this video showing the striking the differences between one dialect and another , for the same expression.


And that's only the language! There are also huge social, values and custom differences as well.



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10 Feb 2017, 4:29 pm

The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
blackicmenace wrote:
Alliekit wrote:
The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
Chronos wrote:
One thing that has always shocked me about the UK is how horrible people can be to each other there. So I think for you, there might be a big cultural element in the way you are being treated.


As an outsider perspective, I perceive all Anglo English-speaking cultures, the UK, US, OZ, and NZ as one big same mega-culture. Same language (with slight dialect differences), same values, similar art works and music types, same many things; the differences overall are slight despite distance. The similarities outweighs the differences.

Arab cultures for instance are by far less homogeneous than the Anglo cultures; historically (descendants from too many different ancient civilizations) , linguistically ("Dialects" differ a lot, it's more than just simple 'dialects') , artistically (music and others), social values (Look for example at the women in Saudi Arabia vs women in Tunisia or Lebanon or even Egypt), and even political values wise. The differences are very striking, hence unity is impossible in my opinion.


US AUS and UK culture is very different. In the UK being loud or talking to strangers is seen as weird and uncomfortabke whereas Americans don't seem to see it that way. Also apparently cat-calling is a thing in American and it doesn't happen here. Plus the whole guns being restricted thing. People thing guns are banned in england but that isn't the case.

If you ever meet a passionate aussie or American they will be pissed at being called something else. Even in the UK there are massive differences between English, Scottish, and the Welsh.


The problem with saying a country does this or that is, it can end up being a stereotype. Where it may be true some Americans do the things you say there are over 324 million of us from every culture and country around the world. I like to think I am passionate about my country, but not in the brash American stereotypical way. I don't like when people are loud, it's obnoxious. I don't talk to strangers unless I need to, I may not be the stereotypical type. I would never catcall, it's disrespectful, though yes, it is something that does happen though I have never once seen it happen except for in movies, but I don't live in a big city either. I don't personally own any guns, though my father is quite fond of them, I personally just don't see the appeal. I live in a stand your ground law state and I don't feel safer, if I were to defend myself and get shot and killed in the process they could try to claim it was self defense. I live very close to where Trayvon Martin was shot and killed. From my limited understanding there are, like your own country, subcultures depending on what part of the country you are in. We are after all, called the United States of America. But to your point our cultures are very different, unfortunately all cultures are going to get stereotyped to a degree.


I dunno, maybe for her and you there are some massive differences - but if we talk about language at least, I don't see really massive differences in American English vs English English and Oz English.....ok there are some differences in pronunciation and some different terms for the same things; but that's it, it's same language overall, same grammar, same vocabulary, same structuring of phrases. I get that some many talk Scot and Welsh but those are almost-extinct languages spoken by very few, like the Syriac now in the Middle East.

Not the case with the spoken dialects of Arabic (Not the written form of Arabic) for instance, they don't share the same grammar and phrase structure rules even! And many words are completely different.

This video explains the issue:


and this video showing the striking the differences between one dialect and another , for the same expression.


And that's only the language! There are also huge social, values and custom differences as well.


Britain is a part of Europe so you should also include those countries



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10 Feb 2017, 4:32 pm

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as i would not make assumptions about arab cultures (which seem mostly similar to me)


But you just made an assumption :lol:


So what are these similarities that you perceive?

PS: if you type "Arab" in Google images, it shows you only images of Gulf Arabs ....who are all together like 40 millions, only half of Egypt's population alone.



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10 Feb 2017, 4:35 pm

The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
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as i would not make assumptions about arab cultures (which seem mostly similar to me)


But you just made an assumption :lol:


So what are these similarities that you perceive?

PS: if you type "Arab" in Google images, it shows you only images of Gulf Arabs ....which are like 40 millions, only half of Egypt's population alone.


I was being purposely obtuse because I don't know about Arab culture so it would be :roll:

I don't even care because in your head you are always right ;)



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10 Feb 2017, 4:53 pm

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Same as you.



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10 Feb 2017, 5:07 pm

The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
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Same as you.


Great comeback :lol: :lol:



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10 Feb 2017, 5:25 pm

I think it's important to remember, culture is different all over the world and in your local area there is subcultures within the culture. When we are separated by great distances we only see part of your culture so there may be a popular perception, but if we took time to visit other areas we will see truly how alike and different we are. There is no one American, if you travel the country you will quickly learn how different we can be. Our friends to the north and south have their own cultures and subcultures as well just as you do. Boo, we Americans get a lot of criticism about our English or there lack of? But I imagine the English have the right to give its former colonies a hard time about the way our English evolved. Boo, I have no doubt about the complexity of your culture in your part of the world, there is so much history in that part of the world. While I am largely ignorant of other cultures, I am happy we have the internet to learn that the only thing that does truly separate us is distance and culture.


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Another woman bashing thread. Great. Makes you all so much more attractive.


but do you not find it unfair that women have so high standards? i cant respect that. you females what a guy with great self-esteem, not virgin, 30 friends and no mental problems. it makes no sense for me. its not like you females are perfect either. so stop with this high standards.

people ALWAYS say that males are opressors, have it more eazy, are shallow, cheats etc. But when someone say something similiar about females, then god forbid that is so wrong. Double moral on highest level.


First of all, I don't bash men unless they bash me first like calling me a "gold digger" when all I want is a Hunny who is an equal. You're lumping all women into one group which is not correct. I don't care how many friends a guy has or if he is or is not a virgin and I would prefer him not to have very many mental problems (who would want someone with a lot of ANY problems?)

I do have high standards because these are the same standards that I expect from myself - a decent job, non-smoker, non-drinker, has a decent home and car, that doesn't have an STD. See, I have no baggage - no kids, no ex-husband, no really big problems so why would I not want someone else who is the same? I don't need the headache of taking on someone else's problems and making them my own to deal with. So yes, I do have high standards and I will not settle.


a car lol. do you have any idea how expensive a car is and why not just walk instead or something. you cant tell guys to have car when not even you can get a car.



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12 Feb 2017, 4:42 pm

Alliekit wrote:
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Another woman bashing thread. Great. Makes you all so much more attractive.


but do you not find it unfair that women have so high standards? i cant respect that. you females what a guy with great self-esteem, not virgin, 30 friends and no mental problems. it makes no sense for me. its not like you females are perfect either. so stop with this high standards.

people ALWAYS say that males are opressors, have it more eazy, are shallow, cheats etc. But when someone say something similiar about females, then god forbid that is so wrong. Double moral on highest level.


and assuming what women want is so attractive. Are you saying you would prefer for someone to date you out of pity or because they have no standards?


no. what i am saying that i would be nice if someone accepted guys like me, that they could fall in love with us. you dont seem to know that all kinds of females can get a relationship, but a guy needs to have much to offer, its strange.



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but do you not find it unfair that women have so high standards? i cant respect that. you females what a guy with great self-esteem, not virgin, 30 friends and no mental problems. it makes no sense for me. its not like you females are perfect either. so stop with this high standards.



Okay fair enough.

But these are not "high standards." These are BASIC simple human characteristics.

1. A decent sense of self-worth
2. The ability to connect and respond to others (may or may not include sexual experience; this may be tied into religious belief or personal beliefs so it can be a variable)
3. Mentally healthy

In no way, shape or form are any of these ASKING TOO MUCH of anyone in a partner. It's not like any one of these is asking for a gold plated sports car or making more than $100,000 a year lol.

I'm sorry if this is harsh, but if you think asking someone as a partner to have a basic healthy personality is 'asking too much' then consider that the problem is not them, it's you, and something you need to work on. End of story.


i know, but the funny thing is that a female can have no friends, be virgin and have anxiety and still get a relationship. thats what i think is weird since guys that are like that have zero chance.



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12 Feb 2017, 7:29 pm

Wow, I was a part of the MGTOW movement and I didn't know it. I don't have an apprehension of women (though moreso of people in general), but I do put the vast majority of the blame for my failures on me (when it actually was my fault) and I decided to just forget dating in general and focus on my career.

For guys who can't find love and feel like its hopeless, maybe it is. 20 years old and single all my life despite asking at least 15-20 women out and it never went beyond that. I think that men (especially young ones like me) shouldn't do the woman-bashing, totally. But maybe actually doing your own thing is best for you in situations where you just can't hack the whole dating thing. At my age it would be better to focus on a career instead and how to make ME happy (well, happy as I can having a good life and no one to share it with).

Don't blame or hate on women, but going my own way is looking like a pretty good option right now.



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13 Feb 2017, 2:41 am

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no. what i am saying that i would be nice if someone accepted guys like me, that they could fall in love with us. you dont seem to know that all kinds of females can get a relationship, but a guy needs to have much to offer, its strange.

Guys are valued for their achievements. This view of a manliness is deeply rooted in our culture and it can't be changed.



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white_as_snow wrote:
no. what i am saying that i would be nice if someone accepted guys like me, that they could fall in love with us. you dont seem to know that all kinds of females can get a relationship, but a guy needs to have much to offer, its strange.

Guys are valued for their achievements. This view of a manliness is deeply rooted in our culture and it can't be changed.


In fact, males of most mammal species are valued for their performance too (even in external beauty!). So it is probably rooted in biology before anything else.