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The stuff on how egg yolks are bad for you is bollocks, and it's 1980s/1990s superstition. Egg yolks have twice as much HDL cholesterol as LDL cholesterol (the former counteracts the latter). You can always find articles on Google that support your views. The most widely held conception today is that eggs yolks are very healthy. A whole egg is no more than 80 calories.

I never promoted steroids. I don't take them myself (although I may do so in the future--my current testosterone levels won't be this high forever), and I believe that everyone should make up their own mind about them, rather than listening to the tabloids, Zyzz, or any washed up leg breaker who abused them. Testosterone Enanthate and Deca Durabolin doesn't harm any men who take precautions; Trenbolone and HGH + insulin can kill you. Most people think that you're either a juicer or you're not a juicer, which is simply not the case.

My heart rate was 53 BPM the last time I checked, and my blood pressure was perfect... but if you can gain as much strength as I did in 2.5 years, feel free to criticize what I do.

It's not just any article though, it has been written by the national health service and it's a view held by medical professionals. Egg whites on the other hand are a great source of protein and I tend to have around eight a day but hardly ever the yolk.

Oh I will criticise what you do, I have gone from 140 to 220 naturally, I have bulked up and cut down several times and been many weights in between. I can swing a 100lbs with a straight arm in the air like it's a light weight, I can bench over 300lbs, I can do hundreds of push ups and pull ups and I didn't need steroids to do that, I have gained a lot of strength from where I started. My resting heart rate is lower than yours as well so yes, I have every right to question your methods.

On that note, I had good testosterone boosting food along with testosterone boosting supplements after taking high two grams a week dosages of testosterone and tren. I just got tired of the sides, you are a young guy and I used to feel very aggressive and dark on them so I have first hand experience.

I also had to do a lot to get a 50 resting heart rate again and there are many damaging effects it can have on your blood pressure. At one point, I was taking around four to five grams a week including orals like Anadrol, I am telling you to learn from that.

I've been pushing to get as close as I can to my goal weight before my supply of Phentermine runs out. I've been losing about a kilo per day for the last week but I'm not sure if this if fat or just water weight.

In the past I've lost weight more slowly (a kilo every three days) and the weight stayed off after I stopped taking the pills but this time I'm not sure if the weight will stay off.

You guys have some of the dopiest, unhealthiest regimes I've heard of. What on earth are you doing to your bodies?

Cafeaulait: You're obsessed with food because you're not eating enough of it. Eat a reasonable amount of food and you won't feel like you're starving. You'll lose weight, but slowly and sanely. Don't starve and then reward yourself with large pastries comprising a day's worth of calories.

Kurgan: Please stop f*****g with your hormones. Apart from the obvious you're also probably doing arterial damage. Much of the damage from steroids and precursors can't be detected until you're far enough gone to be in real trouble.

AD: See above, also, why in God's name do you need to swing 100-lb weights around? Just imagine what you're doing to the joint capsules, and what kind of strain all carrying that bulk places on your lower back, hips, knees. The disks don't get beefier just because your muscles do. It's environmentally silly, too -- unless you're renting yourself out as a human threshing machine, you're feeding yourself far more food than you actually need, and the food has to be produced somehow.

Read this book: http://www.amazon.com/Muscle-Confession ... 0380717638

Retrogamer: Why are you eating amphetamines which, when paired with another drug, cause heart damage?

Guess what? My hrh hangs out around 53, too, and my bp around 90/60. And I'm an almost-old lady who might run a whole 3-5 miles at a time at a non-Marine pace. Serious, every time i go in for surgery or something, the nurses amuse themselves by taking my pulse. You don't need crazy boot-camp regimes to get numbers like that. What you need is lucky genes. And if you don't have that, your body's set up just fine for hrh of, oh, 65, and bp 115/80.

amphetamines cause heart damage ? With what other drug ?

Considering taking adderall for my ADHD :s

Phenteramine was paired with another drug in the 90s and sold as something called phen-fen for weight loss. It worked, but damaged a lot of heart valves in the process. Drug's off the market now.

Tarantalle, what you are seeing is a glimpse of the gym culture; do you really think that the hot guys that you ladies drool upon are hot due to hard work only? No! but because they take such stuff; and I am not talking about the over-muscled ones but even the lean muscled who might fool you they're being à naturel.

There are things gym guys don't talk about in front of women; that's why you are surprised, but they advice other guys of all those stuff, I've heard them all: Testosterone injections, growth hormones, steroids, muscle drinks not found in pharmacies, crazy amount of proteins, localized fatburner for six packs...etc

It is even way more common than voluntary vomitting among women bu the media don't talk much about men's issues.

Here, we can even find examples on WP of women being fooled and thinking this guy Kazuki/wolfheart is being naturally fit, this post was legendary!
http://www.wrongplanet.net/postp5491859.html

http://www.wrongplanet.net/postp5238410.html

but this is a sample of what happens a lot in life, a lot of women being fooled in the same fashion and think what's unnatural natural; I would even go extreme, you might even date and have sex with a fit guy that you may think he obtained his body thro hard work out only without knowing what he's taking until some point, that's because a lot of these stuff are taken in the gym change rooms.

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Don't worry, I'll stop taking them soon. I've nearly run out. Unless I can buy some off the internet. I'm on 30mg at the moment but I hear the internet has 37.5mg. I'm not sure if they'll scam me though. They could send send me some other drug, send me a placebo, send me nothing. If I can get the genuine article I'll use it for an energy boost when I resume my studies (I dropped out due to lack of energy).

So is a lower RHR better? At the moment it's 84 but when I started it felt like it was about 180 for a week before I'd had a chance to get used to it.

Anyway, without Phentermine I don't think I could sustain my fitness regime of 0-800 calories per day and 1-3 hours of brisk walking per day or if I did I wouldn't have enough energy to do anything else.

I don't include that much bread tho; i don't follow any diet but this simply the cuisine here.

lol, wasn't there a youtube video(that he made himself) of him bench-pressing a relatively small amount with horrible form?

again, Boo, I think it's a myth -- I mean maybe there are women who go for that built look, but every bodybuilder type I've seen in gyms has been utterly self-obsessed and in the dullest way imaginable. That's actually the dreadful thing about that book I linked to -- the kid's bright and writes okay, but omg SO BORING who cares about his routine. And his parents were both wonderfully clever writers, too bad.

I think I've been more fit than every guy I've been involved with...is that true? Hm, not the first one, but he was a boy, really, fit just by existing & running around, like a puppy. And my grad-school boyfriend was level with me -- we ran together, but he hated working out in gyms, thought it was too boring. Otherwise a lot of artist and intellectual types who didn't work out at all, just stayed fit by being too poor to own cars. Or the rich boy who preferred strolling to expensive bars and restaurants. I gained weight dating him.

Anyway I've never known any women who went for the muscles. But that's me. I never really understood what the appeal was supposed to be -- you go past "beautiful greek statuary" and I don't see the point. Actually Cezanne's Bather always struck me as a very man sort of man. As in this is what an actual man looks like.

No, it's not a myth at all.
If muslces really had zero effect in increasing chances for a guy to get laid then the gym clientèle and most importanly the durg-enhancement clientèle would fall dramatically. No, a lot of young women love muscles on guys, at least as a significant turn on element for them (and this why such products are popular), we see it everyday in their reactions to fit guys even toward us after becoming more fit and ripped, I've experienced it myself especially on dating sites - sexual attention increased from zero to a lot, at least visually (I am not saying it compensates undesirable traits), note that you as a straight woman there are a lot of things you won't see and sense from other straight women.

A lot of guys go this road because it's basically the easiest tweak to increase their overall attractiveness, it's easier than getting a more attractive career, easier than improving personality to a more charming one, easier than reading more books...easier than all.

And you are probably also from an older generation, but I am not sure how old you are.

Er...I'm a woman, therefore I don't understand women? Cos, you know, I never talk to other women, and they've never talked to me excitedly about men. Seriously, the number of women I've known who've been a-flutter about muscleheads: .......well in college, one of my friends was on the football team, and he had a girlfriend. She didn't go to our school, and I never saw other women throwing themselves at him. And we were housemates for a year....still thinking...actually I always assumed that a large percentage of the guys with the laser focus on themselves while lifting were gay. It was a big thing through the 90s, the "I'm healthy and don't have AIDS" musclebound look, and that's stuck around somewhat.

Lot of guys also believe that women are interested in supercharged sports cars, sleek computer gear, shoot-em-up hero jobs, and a lot of stuff that's actually primarily of interest to men. I wouldn't be surprised if "way more muscle than any 21st-c. human needs" fell under that heading too.

Do you really believe they tell you everything about their fantasies and what they do behind the door? A female acquaintance X wouldn't tell that last night she was sending sexual/praising-body messages to a hot hunk she saw on okcupid, having a fap cyber with him and planning to sleep with him next week, so you would think that X never cares about muscles, you're not the one on the receiving end of her flirting/advances, normally you won't receive flirting for your muscles from straight women, so no, you won't know everything.

I doubt that most of the women who sent me sexual messages/flirting regarding my body and eventually attempting to have a voice/cam fap session with me (it always lead to this) would tell their female friends or the world what they did.

So yeah, me as a straight man, I can know certain aspects in some women's most private sex life more than you would ever know.

For example, I see no guys around who like fake boobs, but I won't be surprised if some of those never showed admiration to fake boobs would fap over them in privacy or even attempting to sleep with women who have them.

You don't have to a ton of coordination or teamwork skills like other sports and you don't need to understand concepts, there are some sport sciences and nutritional part that play a role but it is easier to grasp weightlifting over other sports so I understand that's why it is a key choice for many Autistic men, they are trying to compensate for the social prowess they lack which is needed to obtain a woman. Not everyone does it for vanity purposes either, there are healthy benefits that alleviate symptoms of stress and depression, there are also those who enjoy doing it as a sport.

Yes, there are better pursuits over one's glory and vanity such as learning a valuable skill that will be better applied towards finding work. I have gone through many pressures and I find posting shirtless photos to be tacky even if you have 6% body fat and indeed disrespectful to the person you are dating, just as I wouldn't want my girlfriend prancing around in revealing clothing but hey, I'm an old fashioned guy.. some people need attention and ego stroking to get by or feel good about themselves but I think that's just a sign of covering up more insecurity. Personally I go to the gym because it eases any anxiety or tension I'm feeling, I feel a great sense of ease, reward and release after a hard session of the gym.

Some of the guys on here have that frat boy attitude of comparing bicep sizes or posting shirtless photos and such, absolutely ridiculous. I think it is indeed sad and shallow when men compare muscles or pieces of metal.