Would you break up with someone because of their religion?

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Would you break up?
I totally would if their religion feels wrong to me. 47%  47%  [ 14 ]
No way, I'd let them believe in whatever they want. 47%  47%  [ 14 ]
I'd convert them to my religion. 7%  7%  [ 2 ]
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05 Sep 2011, 6:47 pm

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I'd be interested to know too, Tea. Are they similar to mine?

I follow mysticism (base beliefs- re-incarnation)
And Evolution (not a religion, but I'm stating it because people tend to assume that unless you're atheist you don't believe in evolution.)

Mysticism isn't REALLY a religion though, more of a spiritual standing.


Oh, I see. Well... I mostly follow "And it harm none, do what ye will."

I'm a meditating Tarot reader that wears a Pentagram around her neck. Balance in all things... don't believe in heaven or hell but as a state of mind. Pantheist. I'm particularly drawn to Taoism, but have been studying Buddhism a lot of late.

The path leads everyone to a higher state of being. Enlightenment, a puzzle piece to the universal divine.

I'm getting weird... Imma shut up now. :oops:


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05 Sep 2011, 11:39 pm

The idea just seems wrong to me so no I wouldnt do that



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05 Sep 2011, 11:52 pm

If it was a religion where, like spiders, the belief was held that women should eat men after procreation - yes, ending up on the barbie would probably be a deal breaker.


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06 Sep 2011, 12:40 am

techstepgenr8tion wrote:
If it was a religion where, like spiders, the belief was held that women should eat men after procreation - yes, ending up on the barbie would probably be a deal breaker.
So you convert, then convert back at the last minute ;) .


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06 Sep 2011, 12:41 am

techstepgenr8tion wrote:
If it was a religion where, like spiders, the belief was held that women should eat men after procreation - yes, ending up on the barbie would probably be a deal breaker.


Spiders don't generally eat the male after mating. The praying mantis does, though.

Okay... done being pedantic.


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06 Sep 2011, 1:15 am

Yummy I love spiders but I still wouldnt care to much about their religion its not gonna change how I feel about them but thats just me



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06 Sep 2011, 2:27 am

If they were a complete moron about it, yes. Fortunately, my girlfriend and I accept the fact that our religious beliefs differ, but are only a small part of what defines us.



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06 Sep 2011, 4:16 am

I wouldn't break up with someone because of their beliefs.

First of all, I would want to know firsthand what her beliefs are before we started dating. Second, while I don't require that someone be of a certain faith, there are some faiths where she and I would clash too much (Islam would be an example of this, given my sexual preferences). Third, I am not worried about my own salvation (because her beliefs wouldn't put a dent in mine), but rather being cut off from my family, who belong to Christian denominations that are more conservative than mine.



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06 Sep 2011, 11:07 am

I couldn't date someone who was homophobic or xenophobic, or who sacrificed animals, or who wanted me to convert to their religion.



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06 Sep 2011, 11:27 am

I wouldn't go out with devout religious types in the first place, our views would clash too much and it would be annoying.
Religious compatibility is very important to me.


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06 Sep 2011, 11:33 am

Fatal-Noogie wrote:
techstepgenr8tion wrote:
If it was a religion where, like spiders, the belief was held that women should eat men after procreation - yes, ending up on the barbie would probably be a deal breaker.
So you convert, then convert back at the last minute ;) .

Pff, and leave the country and grow some dredlocks. 8O


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06 Sep 2011, 2:08 pm

TeaEarlGreyHot wrote:
hale_bopp wrote:
I'd be interested to know too, Tea. Are they similar to mine?

I follow mysticism (base beliefs- re-incarnation)
And Evolution (not a religion, but I'm stating it because people tend to assume that unless you're atheist you don't believe in evolution.)

Mysticism isn't REALLY a religion though, more of a spiritual standing.


Oh, I see. Well... I mostly follow "And it harm none, do what ye will."

I'm a meditating Tarot reader that wears a Pentagram around her neck. Balance in all things... don't believe in heaven or hell but as a state of mind. Pantheist. I'm particularly drawn to Taoism, but have been studying Buddhism a lot of late.

The path leads everyone to a higher state of being. Enlightenment, a puzzle piece to the universal divine.

I'm getting weird... Imma shut up now. :oops:


I have a similar philosophy to that, though I don't believe Tarot and I don't have a Pentagram around my neck (yet). I also believe that there may or may not be reincarnation and that there may or may not be some kind of divinity separate from that of nature, but either way, I won't worship it.
This gets me into a lot of trouble with the Christians (at least the crazy ones). The other day, one met me, and he started talking to me about church and his god and I just pretended to be a Christian that didn't go to church so he wouldn't follow me around demanding for me to be "saved".



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06 Sep 2011, 5:20 pm

Actually, religion and Autism was what I was interested in when I found this site. I have an issue with fundamentalist forms of religion.

I have spent most of my adult life learning to try and see things from another person’s shoes as a way of avoiding socially awkward situations. To put myself in their shoes and see if, were the situation reversed, to try and imagine how I would feel at my response. It doesn’t always work and there are large gaps in my filters you could drive an inappropriately shaped pun though. Luckily my wife is very helpful in fine-tuning those areas of my filters.

Fundamentalist religion seems to share a commonality with that aspect of my experience, the difficulty seeing things from a different perspective. For the fundamentalist, there everything is black and white, nothing is situational. It offers an easy escape from the confusion of life via a simplistic, literal interpretation of a set of dogmas, usually focused on simple social issues. That was enticing enough as a late teenager to get me involved in fundamentalist Christianity. Luckily for me, there were too many internal inconsistencies for it to make sense. I ended up drifting away but retain some insight into the worldview.

It has left me wondering if fundamentalism tends to draw people who are on the spectrum because of that ‘simplicity?’ I also wonder if the founders of fundamentalist branches of religion developed such black-and-white, unable to see how something different from their viewpoint as a result of their neurological wiring?



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06 Sep 2011, 7:42 pm

Depends on the religion- if it involved beliefs in or practices involving things I find ethically-abominable, then most definitely.
I also don't sugarcoat my opinions about religion and theism in general.
There's the added issue of how committed they are to a religion, and whether it would require time of theirs that would otherwise be spent with me.
Not to mention the eventual question of how to raise the kids.

All in all...I wouldn't break up with someone over their religion, but they'd have to be an uber-liberal believer.


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07 Sep 2011, 12:27 am

Obres wrote:
diniesaur wrote:
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I don't care what her religion is,
as long as she respects the dignity of people with different religious views.


The problem is when the religion prevents people from respecting the dignity of people with different religious views.


That's not really an issue specifically with religion. The same can be said of politics, philosophy, sense of humor, taste in music, taste in movies, etc. The problem for me is when religion influences the decisions people make. If someone "prays on" decisions rather than thinking things through, or consults a book that tells you how to live your life, that was written back when everyone thought the earth was flat, that's a big problem.


+1 to all of those. As long as there's mutual respect, I can deal with it. Well.. and nothing like sacrifices either... To me, that crosses a different kind of line.



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07 Sep 2011, 10:08 am

About 5 years ago it would have a been a definitive no, but back then I was going through my staunch atheist, anti-religious phase - "Richard Dawkins 4 pope" hats etc. I believe almost all atheists go through that at some point. I grew out of it, some don't, whatever.

My philosophy on this subject (always subject to change) is as follows:

I can only judge someone based on their actions, not their mode of thinking, because I can never really know what someone is thinking.
I also cannot judge people on the things they say because talk and all human-human communication is not a crystal clear window into the mind. People do not and never have used words to truly express what lies beneath the surface. They insinuate, manipulate, create this picture of themselves to others as they would like to be seen, be it to elicit sympathy, attraction, respect et al.

Just scanning the threads I've participated in over the last few days, people love moaning about their love lives. Some blame everything on the people around them, taking no responsibility for themselves. Some blame their own failings entirely. Some take a middle road. It's all talk though, how many of them do you think are going to make a sincere effort to change? In 6 months how many of the same names are going to be popping up in the same discussions over and over and over? Without action to back them up words mean precisely f**k all.

Now religion has an effect on the way people think, but not to the extent some atheists like to believe. Most non-instinctual human behaviour is learned from and kept in check by people around them, i.e. we are herd creatures. Religion fills the holes when they feel hopeless, or is used to justify something that they can't quite rationalise to themselves. Sometimes it provides an answer when they don't understand or when they don't want to understand the other explanations offered. Take a look across the pond, you will never see so much hypocrisy in one country. I'm willing to bet you can count the number of Christian Americans who have given away all their money and material possessions and wandered the earth, itinerant, spreading the teachings of Jesus on one hand.

Let's say I find a nice girl who spends her free time helping local war orphans (a lot of those in England hehehe). Does she do that because she feels the same empathy for those orphans that most non-sociopathic humans feel? That would be great.
What is she is devoutly religious? Does that instantly invalidate her actions, not at all. She may well call that yearning to help "a message from God" but she is still the one driven and choosing to act.
Worst case (and unlikely) scenario, she feels nothing for the orphans and helps them out of fear/greed based on things she has been taught about the afterlife. Although that kind of thinking is wrongfully attributed to all theists sometimes, it's rarely the case. Sociopaths or the extremely selfish like that tend not to be kept in check with religious beliefs, as is seen everywhere they are more likely to twist the religion to justify themselves (or create their own).
What I came to realise is that all humans are filled to the brim (even myself) with nonsensical thoughts and as such there is no "doing the right thing for the wrong reasons" - so she is still of higher value to me than some liberal feminist wank-philosopher spouting her opinions on the internet all the while doing nothing of any real value to anyone.

In conclusion I judge would-be partners on actions (or lack thereof) alone, not talk or self identified religion. I would consider dating the most insane religious zealot if I approved of her actions.