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All I will say to other guys that if you go around flaunting yourself like some piece of meat or in a classless way, you will attract that type of woman.

but your mind is not open to believe anything else as you dismiss examples of natural bodybuilding as liars and accuse people of being naive who thinks anyone does not take steroids.

I know people Ive lived with have not taken steroids and so I know people can be muscly naturally, I personally believe it is mostly to do with genetics and appetite as the skinny men Ive known have eaten half of what I do and my dad was very muscly until his death and he never even exercised nor had a manual job and like him I gain muscle really easy and I know Im definitely not taking steroids! Ive also known men who took steroids and their results varied wildly depending on their natural build.

I think people should follow a natural path and try to be happy with the best they can be rather than trying to be someone else, skinny people should be ok about being skinny and date people who like skinnies and chunky people can date those who like chunkies rather than trying at the expence of our health and psychology to be someone else.

I will always be chunky not skinny but I can be healthy and happy and not beat myself up about it. Run to your strengths, people often are attracted to things we dont like, my ex loved my muscly legs which I hated and I liked him being short which he hated.

I am not dismissing anyone nor denying it's achievable with natural means; but I have yet to meet one well ripped and six packs who doesn't take any drugs, the vast majority take them.

Every time I think of a guy is naturally ripped, he proves me wrong after a conversation with him.

I have muscles (and look skinny under shirt) and I take nothing, but I work out 3 days a week.
There's a limit of how muscled genetically you would be, it is unlikely you would have ripped body, abs and six packs just by mere genes without physical activity and/or supplements/drugs.

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Why is no one talking about joint support supplements?

Wtf! I went from 69,5 on sunday to 66,9 today. How is that possible? I ate 1150 on sunday and 1475 yesterday.

Boo, I don't think you understand the nature of women's friendships. Of course we tell each other about things like this, although most of my friends aren't into things like online sex with strangers. But sexual encounters and what goes on? Of course we talk. That's half the fun.

Anyway -- I think you've got this idée fixe about the muscle boys, but it corresponds to no reality I know. It looks like other women have tried to tell you the same thing but you've got you're little box of "I'm right I know it works this way" and I don't suppose you'll be coming out of it.

Because they're snake oil?

Water weight, food in your system and other factors, I gained 6lbs in a week by loading up on creatine.

I am on my period right now. Maybe that has an effect.

Indeed, if you're talking about the very veiny with mass look that Stallone in Expendables has or bodybuilders have, there's a ton of gear going on there.

Even a normal fat burner like dnp or clen will give you a huge advantage over the natural, hence why bodybuilders are way more freaky now.



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And I wasn't talking with imaginary women either, tarantella.

And again, don't be 100% sure that you are being told everything even from your closest friends; things that would make them look less cool (ie. sex with strangers) are less likely to be told, I am not saying your friends necessarily like muscles or do such things but I am saying that you can never be so sure.

I've received unsolicited materials by some women who I would have never imagined they would have a such side.

I am quite sure there are some women who have online sex with strangers. I am also quite sure it is a pretty small percentage of women, at least in the United States, and I'd be willing to bet that most of them are under the age of 30 (or, for that matter, 20). Or maybe you're just irresistible, Boo.

I can echo tarantella's empirical knowledge of women - most women DO talk about sex with their girlfriends, and DON'T engage in cybersex with strangers (and, in light of some of the things my women friends *have* confided in me, no, there's absolutely no reason they wouldn't have mentioned cybering if they were doing it).

Also, I have yet to meet a woman who thinks serious bodybuilding in men is hot. Not one, and I have women friends ranging in age from early 20s to late 70s. I swear that a lot of guys do that muscle-y stuff to impress other guys, just like many women who place paramount importance on being fashionably dressed - they do it to impress other women, not to impress men. Not in a homosexual way, just by way of competition.

Sigh, yes you are right about the cybe...... (and yes, some were americans), I dunno how we reached to this subject.

I was talking about how some women (and men) like some things in privacy (ie. muscles) without showing it to the world. Of course, those women who love muscles wouldn't throw themselves on ripped men in real life, them not throwing themselves don't prove that the majority (or half) don't like or care about muscles.

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Well he has had cyber sex and cam sex with these women but that's all it is, a fantasy, a pornographic moment where Face of Boo strips for the women on cam.

Did I say I stripped anything? No, you didn't read the key word "they attempted" - I am very wary and paranoid in engaging in such thing. Often I make an excuse to get out of the situation.

But yeah, it was a fantasy moment of theirs - which reflect some of their sexual preferences; at least at times, I am not claiming I know what other things turn them on in life and in other settings.

However the frequency of such... online incidents (and the comments abt muscles- not necessarily involving any cyber intention) made me convinced that this is a commonly desired trait among a lot of women.

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This thread keeps going off on a tangent..

I think part of the problem you guys are having with this 'debate', is that everyone is very set on the fact that there are only guys with a 'normal' physique and really buff guys and all women either like one or the other. Sounds very black and white to me. One person's definition or perception of what is muscular could be very different from another's. It would be better if you guys had some sort of more objective spectrum of muscularity and you could all first agree on what is normal or what different types of body types fit into the naturally muscular category and what to you starts looking like steroid-induced muscularity. I saw in one thread there was this kind of spectrum of body shapes regarding the weight of males and females and what constituted in people's opinions as overweight or obese and underweight. It was pretty crude but still it very clearly brought to light how differently people perceive body shapes and sizes. And how a certain average that you are used to e.g. in your country can skew your definitions of these categorizations.