Living with parents kind of puts the kibosh on dating?

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25 Jul 2018, 10:05 pm

I used to think I can't work 8 hours per day. Turned out I was wrong.


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25 Jul 2018, 10:07 pm

AnneOleson wrote:
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One shouldn't talk bad about someone else's kids.

That's just a basic law of humanity.


Only Bea is doing that here.


No its not only Bea. There have been several men stating that women get free room and board for presenting their “desirable parts”. Women are being labeled as takers and never givers. Women have been labeled as physically weak and simply because of their gender unable to match a mans earning power. Home care and child care apparently has no value, at least in comparison to the cash the eternally hard working man brings home.


It’s feminist who say women can’t march men’s earning power cause the fake wage gap, which one member here spoke about.

Why can’t men be home care or child care? Why do most women say they need a man who makes as much or more then them?



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25 Jul 2018, 10:09 pm

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Bea’s initial premise was not about self-financed independence. It was isn't it hard dating while living in your parents home. I suspect dating was a euphemism for having sex while your parents and siblings listened. And wide generalizations are unrealistic.


And we informed her that it’s a different economic reality for young people today than it was for her last millennium. It’s not nearly as easy for young people to have their own home. So, we make it work with family or roommates - AND we also still get laid. Where there’s a will there’s a way! :mrgreen:

I read that because ppl live with their parents in Japan, too, there’s an increase in sex hotels rented out by the hour. There was also an article about a new park that was designed for couples to go park their cars in and bone at night, away from their family homes. People just adjust, they don’t stop having roofs over their heads not stop f*****g each other just because life is expensive.


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25 Jul 2018, 10:26 pm

People seem to just have sex at parks and the schools here



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25 Jul 2018, 10:26 pm

sly279 wrote:
AnneOleson wrote:
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One shouldn't talk bad about someone else's kids.

That's just a basic law of humanity.


Only Bea is doing that here.


No its not only Bea. There have been several men stating that women get free room and board for presenting their “desirable parts”. Women are being labeled as takers and never givers. Women have been labeled as physically weak and simply because of their gender unable to match a mans earning power. Home care and child care apparently has no value, at least in comparison to the cash the eternally hard working man brings home.


It’s feminist who say women can’t march men’s earning power cause the fake wage gap, which one member here spoke about.

Why can’t men be home care or child care? Why do most women say they need a man who makes as much or more then them?


As you can probably guess, many here would label me a feminist. I prefer to think I’m for equality. When I first started working there sure was a wage gap/ glass ceiling. I first worked ias a waitress and when a younger than me waiter joined up I was given the job of training him. Found out later that right from the start he was making more than me because he was a man. I worked shift work when I was expecting my son. My mother looked after him when I returned to work. When it got too hard for her I found a woman on steady day shift, at the same level as me who wanted to try shift work. HR turned down our request and the HR manager told me how I should be at home taking care of my family. He liked how he could count on going home to a hot supper every night. I was lucky working for a unionized employer. Men and women were hired by passing the same exams. Men and women of the same rank made exactly the same wage - and did exactly the same job. Same fitness requirements (with accommodations for disability), same personal protection requirements.

I’ve never required a man to make as much as me, or more. I think my main requirement would be that my partner TRYS. And men certainly can do child care and home care. My nephew raised two girls alone after his first wife left them. He only remarried when they graduated from school. My husband does his own laundry because he wants too. Always has since I’ve known him. He does a lot of the cooking because he’s good at it. His Italian mother taught him.

I only surfed an online dating site once. My son was being stalked by a horrible woman and I wanted to see what he was talking about. I suspect that many of those women saying that they really want a well off man are exaggerating. Or saying what some one told them to say. I think women and men just don’t want to be taken advantage of.



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25 Jul 2018, 10:31 pm

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People seem to just have sex at parks and the schools here

Used to do that as a teenager. And when visiting my future mother-in-law out of town. My husband was her “baby”. I think she would have had a fit if we had tried to sleep together in her home. I was around 35 and he was 40. Discretion is a virtue! :D



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26 Jul 2018, 12:53 am

I genuinely think goldfish is trying to help.
Bea is not, she just wants to mock.



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26 Jul 2018, 4:46 am

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And how your daughter was paying for this affordable one bedroom apartment before having a boyfriend? Did she have a job?


My other gripe is the fact that for women, its still seen as far more acceptable for them to be a parasite of some sort, whether its on their family, boyfriend, or husband. Why? Because they have body parts that 94% of men desire? Seems a pretty BS reason.


Now c’mon RainbowUnion, be fair here.. if Bea had a hot young twink son with a desirable bussy, some sugar daddy might pay for his keep, too.


Yeah, but thats far, far, far less common and you know it. Its also not seen as socialiy acceptable, whereas the other one is.


All true.

Women want equality until its time to pay the bills, then they expect to be looked after. Even if they were expected to pay a 35% share (70% of half, seeing as women are paid 70% of what men are, on average, for the same jobs) most wouldn’t want to & expect gender roles to carry on.


I’m glad you said “not all women” because a mentally ill woman with several disabilities who works extensively hard, 40+ hours to scrape by finds it a tad offensive that you would say such a thing.

Seriously do you people even live? Where is this magical world where women don’t work full time to keep themselves alive??



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26 Jul 2018, 5:01 am

hale_bopp wrote:
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And how your daughter was paying for this affordable one bedroom apartment before having a boyfriend? Did she have a job?


My other gripe is the fact that for women, its still seen as far more acceptable for them to be a parasite of some sort, whether its on their family, boyfriend, or husband. Why? Because they have body parts that 94% of men desire? Seems a pretty BS reason.


Now c’mon RainbowUnion, be fair here.. if Bea had a hot young twink son with a desirable bussy, some sugar daddy might pay for his keep, too.


Yeah, but thats far, far, far less common and you know it. Its also not seen as socialiy acceptable, whereas the other one is.


All true.

Women want equality until its time to pay the bills, then they expect to be looked after. Even if they were expected to pay a 35% share (70% of half, seeing as women are paid 70% of what men are, on average, for the same jobs) most wouldn’t want to & expect gender roles to carry on.


I’m glad you said “not all women” because a mentally ill woman with several disabilities who works extensively hard, 40+ hours to scrape by finds it a tad offensive that you would say such a thing.

Seriously do you people even live? Where is this magical world where women don’t work full time to keep themselves alive??


Many men seem to get in relationships with these exploitative borderline types, then defensively think all women are like that. Of course, many men are just as lazy and exploitative, and many women are hardworking and accountable.



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26 Jul 2018, 5:29 am

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You know, there's a way to exploit that desire without any BS and without making anyone pay for it other than the men enjoying those body parts (or the full body, or even more than that) under the terms agreed to freely with their owner. No parasitism involved. Unfortunately, we like to give that transaction ugly names, to outlaw it, making it unnecessarily dangerous, and to let our blood boil if someone suggests a relative of ours might engage in it.


That's still a form of parasitism IMO, but I agree that it should be legal, and seen as a legit profession.


Why do you think it's parasitism?

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She got government to pay for it. Though housing usually only pays 75% of rent. I guessing maybe her daughter is on disability. All such things are fine with women, but for men makes you a worthless unlovable loser.


What do you want to do about that? Force women to date men they dislike, to the point that they prefer to be alone rather than with them? Brainwash them? Everyone has a right to their own standards. If those things are okay in women, but not in men, it's because men don't care about them, but women do. Either be what women want or accept they won't want anything to do with you.

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Because the thinking is that she can marry a doctor, lawyer, etc, ie a MAN who will set her up.


If that thinking is commonplace, it's because they often can marry such men, so why would they settle for less?

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In my country (note: a middle eastern country), unmarried and unemployment daughters have the right to continue recieving the retirement income of their highest earning deceased parents for life *regardless of age and health condition*, unless they get married.
Sons can’t unless: 1) they’re less than 18 but it stops once they’re 18.
2) it’s confirmed by a medical committe of having a disability (note. only very serious conditions like down syndome, advanced cancer or being handicaped; things like AS or HDD aren’t even viewed as disabilities here)

You can imagine how many unmarried daughters would prefer to remain unemployed and receive retirement income later which would be higher than low paid entry jobs.


I also imagine a lot of men think that's a good thing, because it prevents those women from competing with men for jobs. Am I wrong? Isn't it so cool to perpetuate cycles of dependence, general backwardness and lack of personal freedom? :D


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26 Jul 2018, 6:30 am

Women routinely marry older guys for a better financial situation.

But, men of all ages go for younger women. It takes time for anyone to establish themselves
financially, except for the unicorns that were born wealthy.



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26 Jul 2018, 8:27 am

Spiderpig wrote:
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You know, there's a way to exploit that desire without any BS and without making anyone pay for it other than the men enjoying those body parts (or the full body, or even more than that) under the terms agreed to freely with their owner. No parasitism involved. Unfortunately, we like to give that transaction ugly names, to outlaw it, making it unnecessarily dangerous, and to let our blood boil if someone suggests a relative of ours might engage in it.


That's still a form of parasitism IMO, but I agree that it should be legal, and seen as a legit profession.


Why do you think it's parasitism?

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She got government to pay for it. Though housing usually only pays 75% of rent. I guessing maybe her daughter is on disability. All such things are fine with women, but for men makes you a worthless unlovable loser.


What do you want to do about that? Force women to date men they dislike, to the point that they prefer to be alone rather than with them? Brainwash them? Everyone has a right to their own standards. If those things are okay in women, but not in men, it's because men don't care about them, but women do. Either be what women want or accept they won't want anything to do with you.

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Because the thinking is that she can marry a doctor, lawyer, etc, ie a MAN who will set her up.


If that thinking is commonplace, it's because they often can marry such men, so why would they settle for less?

The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
In my country (note: a middle eastern country), unmarried and unemployment daughters have the right to continue recieving the retirement income of their highest earning deceased parents for life *regardless of age and health condition*, unless they get married.
Sons can’t unless: 1) they’re less than 18 but it stops once they’re 18.
2) it’s confirmed by a medical committe of having a disability (note. only very serious conditions like down syndome, advanced cancer or being handicaped; things like AS or HDD aren’t even viewed as disabilities here)

You can imagine how many unmarried daughters would prefer to remain unemployed and receive retirement income later which would be higher than low paid entry jobs.


I also imagine a lot of men think that's a good thing, because it prevents those women from competing with men for jobs. Am I wrong? Isn't it so cool to perpetuate cycles of dependence, general backwardness and lack of personal freedom? :D



Not really, when it comes to entry jobs and some fields, women win in the job market.

Employers here have no shame to specify the gender in job ads.

A sample:

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Junior Accountants are often females for example and employers specify it in ads - a male accountant or HR graduate would have a very hard time to find his first job.



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26 Jul 2018, 8:44 am

^Wow, boo, that would be illegal discrimination here. Employers do discriminate all the time, but they’re not allowed to specify a preferred gender in a job ad. The closest it gets in job ads is “Punjabi speaking preferred,” or “Must speak Chinese/Cantonese/Mandarin.” Etc


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26 Jul 2018, 8:51 am

What percentage of the people in Lebanon speak French, speak English, speak both?

In Canada, for federal civil service jobs, people must speak both French and English fluently.

There are quite a few jobs in New York City which requires one to be bilingual----Spanish/English bilingualism is especially desired. The fact of my English-only proficiency decreased my options when I was searching for a second job.



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26 Jul 2018, 9:07 am

The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
I genuinely think goldfish is trying to help.
Bea is not, she just wants to mock.


Thanks for that, boo. It’s accurate. I may argue with sly at times, but I don’t think I really argue with him - it’s more that I argue with his depression and sometimes get frustrated by it. He reminds me of how I used to be years ago and so I do feel for him. I do not dislike sly. Hell, ask sly about the pm I sent him when I first returned to the forum several months ago - I asked if he had over gotten that backyard beehive he wanted. (Because I can’t keep bees where I live, but if he could I’d have bought him one to help save the bees And give sly a valuable hobby.)

And yes, Bea has been quite cruel to sly and others in this thread so I’ve called her out on it as I do elsewhere and in real life. Admittedly, I am biased against her for her past behaviour and so I won’t tolerate her rudeness to others one bit and Will defend those she is unpleasant to.


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26 Jul 2018, 10:21 am

The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
Not really, when it comes to entry jobs and some fields, women win in the job market.

Employers here have no shame to specify the gender in job ads.

A sample:

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Junior Accountants are often females for example and employers specify it in ads - a male accountant or HR graduate would have a very hard time to find his first job.


But if there were more women in the workforce, the competition would be even greater for men. Are you really saying it isn't widely resented? You know, like so many people resent having to compete with immigrants.


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