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28 Apr 2012, 8:29 pm

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Are women "testing" men?


This would be cool.

"She: hey sir, can I test you and see you can make me orgasm?"

I want to be a test subject.


Any idiot can pass that test if he wants to.
The question a woman really wants the answer to is whether or not you will be willing and able to bring her to orgasm in 20 years.
Will you take the time to do it? Will you even pay attention to her then?


I disagree that 'any idiot' can pass that test (facetious as it may be) if he wants to.


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28 Apr 2012, 8:46 pm

There might be a reason why some might be the testers, and others has to deal with the tests.

About cities and country side. They have completely different circumstances.



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28 Apr 2012, 9:01 pm

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My apologies.
I had not realized you were making a joke.


Apology accepted.

But still you'll be thrown to the crocodile pit.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xBE8qqqdZt4 :lol:

I like to think life is a test, and sometimes the test comes in the form of a woman. Or sometimes the woman gives your life a test. But there are important things to remember. Not all tests can be passed, and passing them doesn't guarantee success or happiness.

I certainly wouldn't want to be with someone who continues to test my loyalties, affections, and character. That's way different from challenges / obstacles in the relationship naturally coming up and much like they would expect trust, a bit of faith and respect from me I would (for my own dignity's sake) expect it from them as well :)



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29 Apr 2012, 10:00 am

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I disagree that 'any idiot' can pass that test (facetious as it may be) if he wants to.


Any man or woman who has a female partner that he wishes to please, who does the things that this person makes happy noises when he or she does and doesn't do the things that fail to elicit those sounds can bring a woman to a happy climax.
You just have to pay attention and use your tongue, and barring certain psych meds being in use, she'll achieve orgasm.
If you can't do it, then you don't care, or aren't paying attention.



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29 Apr 2012, 10:01 am

The_Face_of_Boo wrote:

Apology accepted.

But still you'll be thrown to the crocodile pit.


Frankly, I probably had that coming before I posted in this thread, perhaps before I even joined WP....



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29 Apr 2012, 10:10 am

TommyTomorrow wrote:
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Are women "testing" men?


This would be cool.

"She: hey sir, can I test you and see you can make me orgasm?"

I want to be a test subject.


Any idiot can pass that test if he wants to.
The question a woman really wants the answer to is whether or not you will be willing and able to bring her to orgasm in 20 years.
Will you take the time to do it? Will you even pay attention to her then?



Pay attention to her sure, but once a woman has reached the end of her child baring years, sex is pointless.. I see absolutely no point in having sex after about 42.. it sucks, but thats biology for you.



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29 Apr 2012, 10:34 am

Is this because the only reason you would consider having sex is for reproduction, or because you feel that women stop enjoying sex once they reach menopause?



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29 Apr 2012, 10:39 am

TommyTomorrow wrote:
You just have to pay attention and use your tongue, and barring certain psych meds being in use, she'll achieve orgasm.
If you can't do it, then you don't care, or aren't paying attention.


Some girls are just wired differently and can have a hard time accomplish orgasm anyway.

rabbittss wrote:
Pay attention to her sure, but once a woman has reached the end of her child baring years, sex is pointless.. I see absolutely no point in having sex after about 42.. it sucks, but thats biology for you.


Many people still need cuddling and stimulation ;)



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29 Apr 2012, 10:51 am

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Is this because the only reason you would consider having sex is for reproduction, or because you feel that women stop enjoying sex once they reach menopause?


I'm sure they don't stop enjoying it anymore than those ridiculous men who fund the ED drug trade.. but when things stop working, it's natures way of saying; find a new hobby.

But I'm pretty comfortable stating that, once my hypothetical mate is no longer attractive, that I wouldn't be interested in having sex with her. It sucks, but thats biology. On the other hand, I don't intend to be one of those old lechers who keeps going after younger and younger women. If I made a choice to be with this hypothetical woman, it means I did so for more reasons than simply finding her attractive, and she and I would simply have to find other ways of being intimate that didn't involve sex.



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29 Apr 2012, 10:57 am

TommyTomorrow wrote:
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I disagree that 'any idiot' can pass that test (facetious as it may be) if he wants to.


Any man or woman who has a female partner that he wishes to please, who does the things that this person makes happy noises when he or she does and doesn't do the things that fail to elicit those sounds can bring a woman to a happy climax.
You just have to pay attention and use your tongue, and barring certain psych meds being in use, she'll achieve orgasm.
If you can't do it, then you don't care, or aren't paying attention.


Do you have a lot of sex with men? The cluelessness of some would surprise you I think. Also some women are just non-orgasmic, so there's never a guarantee no matter the skill at oral gymnastics. I was mostly just trying to be lighthearted.

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Pay attention to her sure, but once a woman has reached the end of her child baring years, sex is pointless.. I see absolutely no point in having sex after about 42.. it sucks, but thats biology for you.


And you wonder why you have lady problems. Do you think maybe it's because you can come off as a bit of a misogynistic racist because of the things you say? Cause I think that could be a factor.
Sperm declines with age. Lower quality, lower numbers. Sure a woman might be able to get pregnant but why would she want low quality material. It sucks, but that's biology for you. Remember everybody's got a "best if used by" date in terms of reproduction, your penis will not save you.
Also, just a fun reminder that a whole lot of the sex we have in non-procreative. We have sex for fun, often trying to avoid pregnancy. Fertility doesn't come into play here unless we're actively trying to subvert it. There are lot's of reasons to have sex and a lot of them do not include pregnancy.
Since you're so fixated on baby making I assume you're also uninterested in protected sex, sex with a woman on oral contraceptives, oral sex, anal sex, money shots, and any other non procreative sex act. Is that an accurate assumption?


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29 Apr 2012, 11:00 am

Keyman wrote:
TommyTomorrow wrote:
You just have to pay attention and use your tongue, and barring certain psych meds being in use, she'll achieve orgasm.
If you can't do it, then you don't care, or aren't paying attention.


Some girls are just wired differently and can have a hard time accomplish orgasm anyway.


Oh, no doubt, sometimes it takes half an hour or more to get the job done, but unless you're in an asexual relationship (a valid choice) then devotion to pleasing her goes with the role of partner.
I recognize that in our community, some of us don't want to be touched at all, and that's valid.
Some of the female members of our community have anxiety issues such that they can't climax even by themselves; certainly, their partners can't be faulted for not bringing them to orgasm.
I will note that even when you're with a female partner that is unable to climax, they may still enjoy both the intimacy and the sensations that come from sexual play. I know this has been the case for at least one of my partners in the past, who had anxiety issues that would make climax impossible, sometimes for weeks at a time.



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29 Apr 2012, 11:03 am

TommyTomorrow wrote:
Oh, no doubt, sometimes it takes half an hour or more to get the job done, but unless you're in an asexual relationship (a valid choice) then devotion to pleasing her goes with the role of partner.
I recognize that in our community, some of us don't want to be touched at all, and that's valid.
Some of the female members of our community have anxiety issues such that they can't climax even by themselves; certainly, their partners can't be faulted for not bringing them to orgasm.
I will note that even when you're with a female partner that is unable to climax, they may still enjoy both the intimacy and the sensations that come from sexual play. I know this has been the case for at least one of my partners in the past, who had anxiety issues that would make climax impossible, sometimes for weeks at a time.


There is some serious excellence stated here.


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29 Apr 2012, 11:10 am

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I'm sure they don't stop enjoying it anymore than those ridiculous men who fund the ED drug trade.. but when things stop working, it's natures way of saying; find a new hobby.

But I'm pretty comfortable stating that, once my hypothetical mate is no longer attractive, that I wouldn't be interested in having sex with her. It sucks, but thats biology. On the other hand, I don't intend to be one of those old lechers who keeps going after younger and younger women. If I made a choice to be with this hypothetical woman, it means I did so for more reasons than simply finding her attractive, and she and I would simply have to find other ways of being intimate that didn't involve sex.


Women do not magically stop being attractive to me once they hit menopause.
I am in my 30s, and as of yet none of my female partners have been past their reproductive years.
Nonetheless, I have seen women in their 40s or even 50s who I am certain I find attractive now, and I have no doubt that when I am in my 40s and 50s I will find women who are attractive to me then.
When I am properly in love with a woman, I find myself occasionally wanting to be with her carnally for reasons of closeness and intimacy that are separate from the feelings of lust I have for her.
I can't imagine that changing even when there are a few more wrinkles.



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29 Apr 2012, 11:24 am

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Do you have a lot of sex with men? The cluelessness of some would surprise you I think. Also some women are just non-orgasmic, so there's never a guarantee no matter the skill at oral gymnastics. I was mostly just trying to be lighthearted.


My experiences with men have all been with exclusively homosexual men.
(I am bisexual, but for one reason or another all of my male partners were homosexual. Not sure why.)
The count of men I've been with is in the middle single digits.
The count of women I've been with is around the middle double digits.
So, perhaps my experiences with men aren't relevant in answering the question.

Based on my conversations with women about the men that they've been with, my conclusion is that all of the men who are with orgasmic women (ones that can bring themselves to orgasm) but who do not bring those women to orgasm are being jerks.
If the men cared, they would put in the effort needed to bring their partners to completion.
I had no clue what I was doing the first time I was with a woman, but I started off by administering oral pleasure to her for 45 minutes and had no trouble getting the desired result.
I wanted her to be happy, and it happened.

Sorry if I was being dense before and not picking up on your joke.



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29 Apr 2012, 11:39 am

TommyTomorrow wrote:
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I'm sure they don't stop enjoying it anymore than those ridiculous men who fund the ED drug trade.. but when things stop working, it's natures way of saying; find a new hobby.

But I'm pretty comfortable stating that, once my hypothetical mate is no longer attractive, that I wouldn't be interested in having sex with her. It sucks, but thats biology. On the other hand, I don't intend to be one of those old lechers who keeps going after younger and younger women. If I made a choice to be with this hypothetical woman, it means I did so for more reasons than simply finding her attractive, and she and I would simply have to find other ways of being intimate that didn't involve sex.


Women do not magically stop being attractive to me once they hit menopause.
I am in my 30s, and as of yet none of my female partners have been past their reproductive years.
Nonetheless, I have seen women in their 40s or even 50s who I am certain I find attractive now, and I have no doubt that when I am in my 40s and 50s I will find women who are attractive to me then.
When I am properly in love with a woman, I find myself occasionally wanting to be with her carnally for reasons of closeness and intimacy that are separate from the feelings of lust I have for her.
I can't imagine that changing even when there are a few more wrinkles.


Bully for you?



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29 Apr 2012, 11:46 am

My personal anecdote is a counterpoint to your statement that you don't see the point of post-menopausal sex.
I see the point of it, for myself and many others that I believe are like me.
My fiancee is also on the spectrum, and has feelings similar to mine, so I'm not unique.

Perhaps your earlier post was simply indicating that you didn't see the point in YOU having relations with post-menopausal women.
If that was the intention, then perhaps sharing my feelings was irrelevant.