Do women make lots of effort to attract men?

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I believe most women prefer a lean body with lean muscles, one that can be achieved simply by working out without steroids or muscle enhancer and eating healthily. If you have the normal level of testosterone it shouldn't be that hard.

I find you to be correct there! I am most of those women!

I think it's rather vague to interpretate or assume what all women want, nobody can determine what every woman wants. Sure, I admit having a good physique does make you a point of interest and it will help you in certain ways but it won't help you to develop an emotional bond or connection with another person.

Oh no, I wasn't saying anything like that. Well, I wasn't trying to or anything. Sorry to have mislead ya, I was just saying that I like men with a bit of muscle.

#1. She said most, not all.
#2.I'm tired of questions posed to women answered by men. It's not that a male viewpoint isn't helpful, but refuting answers from the gals isn't.

Suppose a woman was in a bar and she fancied a man in the bar. But the man either hadn't noticed her or was playing it cool and pretending not to notice. Do you think the woman would make efforts to get the man to notice her? Would she be subtle?

Regardless of sex, tastes are individual and subjective as opposed to being a generalization, do some women admire a body that is well defined? Yes but does every woman date a man with a well defined body? No, go out and you will find tons of women with men that have a high body fat.

Facepalm to the ones who say that women drool over super-muscular men. If that were the case there'd probably be many more. Agreeing with some- I went to an all girls school, then a mixed-gender one and I can tell you that girls and women DON'T drool over super muscular guys. Most husbands and boyfriends are pretty lean or have some degree of fat. The "muscular" thing is out of the norm.

Also I think there's some self-centered thinking going on here. In the picture of the muscular man and the young woman, I'd say there's not too much of a difference. I mean, they're both out of the norm- but she doesn't look like much of a real person. Your expectations are flawed. Her skin is perfect- most women have blemishes, cellulite, stretch marks etc. and you talk about keeping off weight like it is easy. If all the overweight people in the world could diet for a week and keep off the weight without stretch marks and other things you think they wouldn't? If you diet for a week you WILL gain the weight back. Your body fights to keep it's normal weight. Models have problems with anorexia and other eating disorders because it is near impossible to keep their figures so thin without gaining the weight. You have to completely change the way you eat and operate and one burger could wreck things. Many women go on vegan diets to keep a slim weight, while still exercising daily. You have to remember that for a MAN to reach the ideal weight for a woman it'd be easier- women naturally have more fat. So it's difficult either way.

His argument is valid even if they were in close age range.





No, there are no many more because it's HARD to get a such male body. It's due to the difficulty of getting it, not the lack of demand.


No one said super-muscular, but swimmer-type muscular, there' s a huge difference.



Ladies who are denying this, just compare this thread

http://www.wrongplanet.net/postt232643.html

with this thread:

http://www.wrongplanet.net/postt233917.html



Just notice how there are more diversity in the female body thread for 'perfect body' - notice how there are not so athletic bodies there; and those were not the first threads of their kinds, males (and females!) always had a more diversified idea of what constitutes a perfect female body.

As for the male body there's almost a consensus among women what makes it perfect: handsome face + toned body + muscles but not overly-muscled + six-packs.

Based on those threads I conclude:

Perfect male body = swimmer/male model body.

Perfect female body =/= female model body (not necessarily the same)


This meme says it best:

Probably "yes" and "yes". Women into the traditional games can be pretty good at putting in a lot of effort but making it look like the man did all the work, because her efforts were subtle (e.g. strategically placing herself in his sight, managing to run out of drink at the point that he is able to offer to buy her a one, steering the conversation towards flirtation) while his were not so subtle (e.g. starting up a conversation, buying her a drink, making a move).

So in this situation it would seem to me that the man is not putting an effort into getting attention from her, he is putting effort into targeting her and getting off with her. While the woman is putting more effort into gaining his attention.

So I am wondering is it instinctive for women to seek the attention of men, more than for men to seek the attention of women?

Exactly as TGH said.

I must know some strange men then, because most of the guys I know with great bodies (not male models, but they look freaking sexy without their shirts) do gym 3 times a week and that's it - that and don't eat fast food on a daily basis.
I do physical activity daily for at least an hour or more and have a much stricter diet and quite frankly I do not look as good as they do.

The "instinctive" bit again is tough, but I'd guess Yes.

I go to the gym 3 times a week lifting heavy with 15 minute core workouts in between, I don't do any cardio, use drugs, drink alcohol, smoke or eat fast food and this is my body as a result.



So it goes to show that you don't need to do an hour of cardio each day to get a shredded body, women have a slower metabolism and they have ten times less testosterone which makes it harder for them to lose weight so anyone saying it is easy needs to seriously realize that males and females aren't the same.

Do you live with them to be sure that it's "that's it?" ?

Women don't need to have abs to be considered having a perfect body, I know few guys woo over abs on women and all but it's really pretty insignificant for the most part, most guys wouldn't care whether a hot female body has a flat tummy or abs, the abs obsession (liking abs on men) is much greater and more popular among women.
If you ask women what's perfect for male they would show you celebs with six packs, not flat tummy, ask the same to men and few would show you pics of women with abs.