Do most men on WP hate women?

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I doubt anyone is going to come out on here, and say "I hate women!" I like to think misogyny has been on a decline, in Western culture at least, since the 1910's.Yet still there are men who get drunk and beat their girlfriends or wives, men who rape women, and men who will just plain believe females are lesser than them..

I'm not trying to pull an AspieOtaku here , but let's see what happens with this post....
After posting here for a few months, I've decided that many of the men on this board have some Serious issues with women in general. Probably this comes from bad experiences? I don't know. I didn't cause them.
I have been posting here for a few months, & I don't mind saying that a lot of the attitudes here have simply put me off. I'm beginning to see men as a group as being really hostile to women & That's Not Good for me or maybe even for single women who read this board. I'd like to think that this board doesn't represent the views of most men, on or off the spectrum.

Unfortunately, it seems to be pretty toxic, & toxic to the extent that it's beginning to colour my attitude. If can't read this stuff ($#!+) anymore. Not if I want to continue to like men as a group & as individuals.

Do any of you, 'Nice" & otherwise realize how completely NUTZ many of you sound blaming women & feminists & NT women as a group for all your problems?

Apologies to the men & women here who are fair & have a balanced viewpoint. This board needs you BADLY!!

To that lil' local group of aspie PUA wannabees that decided to dehumanize me & make me into a game piece this past Summer. Well, thanks for that.. I had more than enough of my own problems @ that time. I didn't need anymore. (& I really Don't like men in their 20's. 'Never have, never will. Not even when I was in my teens & 20's.) I was never condescending or rude to you. Maybe you respect mean people more?
To the Leader of the pack -Yup, I really did like you until you became a major part of the problem & you know what they say. "If you are not part of the solution, you are part of the problem." I don't know what the 'rules' where in that game. All I know is: Rebels aren't pawns. If you want to Pizz Off a rebel, just try & play them. Maybe you did actually like me @ one time, but after all that weirdness, & creepiness, it doesn't count for much. I now know that you enjoy manipulating & hurting people & that's about all I will ever know about you. It's not a nice remembrance.

'Maybe see you WP folks later? I don't know.

This part - "the situation" - I can fully identify with.. I'm through it now, but I've certainly felt this way at various stages in my life. Most of my teenage years, and also during some of the dark periods of depression in my late 20s and 30s.

However this part - your conclusion - I'm afraid is way off the mark.



I can tell you from first hand experience this is just not true.

From my late 20s and early 30s My career was going well.. I owned a cool flat in a very desirable part of London with movie star neighbours, I had a money, a fancy sports car, prospects.. everything that you're saying women look for... and yet I was single through that entire time... obsessing over my unrequited for a girl who obviously liked me, but as a friend and nothing more. I was confused and frustrated.

Then things started to go really badly.. I lost everything, the car, the flat, my career and my money through some very poor decisions, and spent the next 3 years failing at just about everything I tried.. finally hitting rock bottom about 3 years ago. Broke, unemployed, nearly 40, living on welfare in a leaky flat in a rough part of London. and without any idea at all what I could do to support myself, let alone get back to a position of security and comfort. I thought I'd never be happy again, let alone meet someone and have a normal life.

Out of desperation to get some sort of human contact, I set myself a challenge.. to go on meetup.com and pick the meetups that were as far from my normal areas of interest as possible. And it was one of those, that I met my current partner. Right from the outset I didn't try to hide my financial situation.. she knew I was literally starting again from scratch, but it didn't matter to her. A month or so later I did get a job, but then got made redundant, and now I'm self employed and working on startup. I'm still broke, I still can't afford to take her out for a meal, my yearly clothing budget is whatever i get in gift vouchers from family at Xmas (around £150 / $250 dollars ), and still struggle to eat a proper diet, but despite having nothing, we've got closer and closer.

So what is it that attracted her? I think a few factors.

1. I never complained or blamed anyone else for my situation. Yes, the credit crunch was a big part of it, and I could easily blame bankers, the government etc, but I don't. I made my own decisions - nobody forced me to take stupid risks I couldn't afford, and take full responsibility for the fact I made bad choices. Women like men who take personal responsibility for their actions. It shows we're emotionally mature.

2. I never gave up. even at my bleakest moments, I looked for solutions.. ( e.g, the meetup challenge I set myself ). Women like men who never give up, despite the odds. It shows we're fighters and won't give up on them or our potential offspring if life gets tough

3. I didn't try to pretend, or hide my real situation. Women like honesty. It shows they can trust us

4. As men, our job is to provide and protect. I couldn't provide material things, and I still can't (yet!), but I can provide my attention, my time, my willingness to try to understand her, my ideas to help her solve her problems, and my humour to cheer her up when she's down herself. Women can work and pay for the material things themselves these days, but there's still plenty of things that only you can provide.

The point I'm trying to make with all this is that money, material goods, fancy cars etc. has absolutely NOTHING to do with it. You have everything you need to attracted women already. You just need to find it in yourself. I promise you it's in there... hardwired into your very being.. You just need to declutter your head and clear out some of the false conclusions and assumptions that are getting in the way.

( and no, I don't look like Justin Timberlake either! )

Can't speak for other guys on here, but I actually like women a lot, it's why they're so incredibly frustrating.

An example of said frustration as follows.

Girl says she's looking for X, Y, Z. Guy thinks he offer this girl what she claims to be looking for, tries to be the hero/knight in shining armour. Girl rejects him sometimes throwing his efforts straight back in his face hence coming across as ungrateful. Guy gets pissed off because he doesn't know where he went wrong. Girl then complains 2 weeks later she can't find anyone decent/genuine and nobody likes her for who she is. Rinse and repeat cycle.

I'm not trying to pull an AspieOtaku here , but let's see what happens with this post....
After posting here for a few months, I've decided that many of the men on this board have some Serious issues with women in general. Probably this comes from bad experiences? I don't know. I didn't cause them.
I have been posting here for a few months, & I don't mind saying that a lot of the attitudes here have simply put me off. I'm beginning to see men as a group as being really hostile to women & That's Not Good for me or maybe even for single women who read this board. I'd like to think that this board doesn't represent the views of most men, on or off the spectrum.

Unfortunately, it seems to be pretty toxic, & toxic to the extent that it's beginning to colour my attitude. If can't read this stuff ($#!+) anymore. Not if I want to continue to like men as a group & as individuals.

Do any of you, 'Nice" & otherwise realize how completely NUTZ many of you sound blaming women & feminists & NT women as a group for all your problems?

Apologies to the men & women here who are fair & have a balanced viewpoint. This board needs you BADLY!!

To that lil' local group of aspie PUA wannabees that decided to dehumanize me & make me into a game piece this past Summer. Well, thanks for that.. I had more than enough of my own problems @ that time. I didn't need anymore. (& I really Don't like men in their 20's. 'Never have, never will. Not even when I was in my teens & 20's.) I was never condescending or rude to you. Maybe you respect mean people more?
To the Leader of the pack -Yup, I really did like you until you became a major part of the problem & you know what they say. "If you are not part of the solution, you are part of the problem." I don't know what the 'rules' where in that game. All I know is: Rebels aren't pawns. If you want to Pizz Off a rebel, just try & play them. Maybe you did actually like me @ one time, but after all that weirdness, & creepiness, it doesn't count for much. I now know that you enjoy manipulating & hurting people & that's about all I will ever know about you. It's not a nice remembrance.

'Maybe see you WP folks later? I don't know.

Indeed, as leafplant said, you can't keep blaming women's fussiness on you not succeeding.
If you want a successful high wage job, you have to work for it, High wage jobs come with QUALIFICATIONS. Moaning you have none is never going to help the situation. Work to have your own shop or something, or a cafe, if you're not a pen and paper type of person.
As for driving skills, try and learn.
I thought I would never pass, having awful concentration and self-esteem issues, and always getting flusttered, but I did it. It took me 2 years of learning, and 4 driving tests at £150 each, but I finally did it.
Driving skill is appealing not only to a woman, (you'd be able to drive your woman around, and your children) but it would also appeal to a high wage job.

If you don't look great, work on your looks. Go to a hairdresser, not a barbers, and ask for a style, ask what's current at the moment.
Work out at the gym.
Eat better food.
Look in clothes shops for new clothes. If you don't know how to put outfits together, take ideas from what other people are wearing around you the same age as you, or same build. Take ideas from the mannequins in the windows. Look through some celebrity magazines, and see what respectable men are wearing.

It is all based on the fact that you get cooties when you are around her.

They think we can hang out and then they feel disgusted when they see we get cooties.

Happens to every one of us.

It was discussed on my earlier post on this subject

This would usually mean one of two things.

1. You're not doing a good enough job creating attraction for her (she doesn't find you attractive).
2. Attraction wasn't the issue, it was just her personality and she actually does treat men like crap and thinks she deserves a good man (even though she doesn't if this is the case).

6. She hasn't expressed interest in you or flirted with you first. In approaching her or suddenly expressing interest, you actually sending the message "I don't care about your feelings, I only care about what I can get from you". You've denied her right to choose a mate for herself, un-pressured by you. That's your classic "creepy".

7. She hasn't had a chance to observe you without you knowing. She needs to know what you're really like when you're not tying to impress anyone, because that's the person you'll be throughout a relationship.

This part - "the situation" - I can fully identify with.. I'm through it now, but I've certainly felt this way at various stages in my life. Most of my teenage years, and also during some of the dark periods of depression in my late 20s and 30s.

However this part - your conclusion - I'm afraid is way off the mark.



I can tell you from first hand experience this is just not true.

From my late 20s and early 30s My career was going well.. I owned a cool flat in a very desirable part of London with movie star neighbours, I had a money, a fancy sports car, prospects.. everything that you're saying women look for... and yet I was single through that entire time... obsessing over my unrequited for a girl who obviously liked me, but as a friend and nothing more. I was confused and frustrated.

Then things started to go really badly.. I lost everything, the car, the flat, my career and my money through some very poor decisions, and spent the next 3 years failing at just about everything I tried.. finally hitting rock bottom about 3 years ago. Broke, unemployed, nearly 40, living on welfare in a leaky flat in a rough part of London. and without any idea at all what I could do to support myself, let alone get back to a position of security and comfort. I thought I'd never be happy again, let alone meet someone and have a normal life.

Out of desperation to get some sort of human contact, I set myself a challenge.. to go on meetup.com and pick the meetups that were as far from my normal areas of interest as possible. And it was one of those, that I met my current partner. Right from the outset I didn't try to hide my financial situation.. she knew I was literally starting again from scratch, but it didn't matter to her. A month or so later I did get a job, but then got made redundant, and now I'm self employed and working on startup. I'm still broke, I still can't afford to take her out for a meal, my yearly clothing budget is whatever i get in gift vouchers from family at Xmas (around £150 / $250 dollars ), and still struggle to eat a proper diet, but despite having nothing, we've got closer and closer.

So what is it that attracted her? I think a few factors.

1. I never complained or blamed anyone else for my situation. Yes, the credit crunch was a big part of it, and I could easily blame bankers, the government etc, but I don't. I made my own decisions - nobody forced me to take stupid risks I couldn't afford, and take full responsibility for the fact I made bad choices. Women like men who take personal responsibility for their actions. It shows we're emotionally mature.

2. I never gave up. even at my bleakest moments, I looked for solutions.. ( e.g, the meetup challenge I set myself ). Women like men who never give up, despite the odds. It shows we're fighters and won't give up on them or our potential offspring if life gets tough

3. I didn't try to pretend, or hide my real situation. Women like honesty. It shows they can trust us

4. As men, our job is to provide and protect. I couldn't provide material things, and I still can't (yet!), but I can provide my attention, my time, my willingness to try to understand her, my ideas to help her solve her problems, and my humour to cheer her up when she's down herself. Women can work and pay for the material things themselves these days, but there's still plenty of things that only you can provide.

The point I'm trying to make with all this is that money, material goods, fancy cars etc. has absolutely NOTHING to do with it. You have everything you need to attracted women already. You just need to find it in yourself. I promise you it's in there... hardwired into your very being.. You just need to declutter your head and clear out some of the false conclusions and assumptions that are getting in the way.

( and no, I don't look like Justin Timberlake either! )

You are only making yourself a victim on this board by making replies like this. Please, try to think before posting, because you're posting when angry, and it's not looking good on your part, hence you are 'victimised'.

If you ignore these people, don't acknowledge them, they'll move on.

I was bullied throughout my school life, you're not the only person that's been bullied. I'd say 99% of this forum have been bullied, because we're 'different'.

I still get bullied and trolled online now, it's just what happens, and there's nothing you can do except ignore them. I've been stalked online, called out in random threads when I've not posted for ages and targeted for my mental health, you name it.
If they are bullying you online, report it to the moderators. Don't engage or acknowledge these people publicly.