Do you people consider me a loser?

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What sort of question is that?

Do you realise how asinine a question it was and how offensive it is to abuse victims?

Or is it OK to get away with it just because it's MR20?

Someone has to do something about Fnord.

Someone has to take a stand.

It's not that simple. I'm so sick of this "get over it" attitude that people like you and Fnord seem to have. I'm just not capable of this stuff. I barely know my time-tables and fractions, there's no way that I'm going to be able to pass a GED exam. I can't comprehend most of that stuff.

I can't get a job because I don't have an education, a car for transportation, and I struggle around crowds of people.

I can't bathe regularly because that's not really possible with my living conditions. I have no hot water, and my bathroom is dirty and rat-infested. Also, really hard to bathe now in the fall/winter with no hot water.

I can't get a girl to talk to me because I'm an ugly, slow, stupid, poor, friendless, weird and boring bum that has nothing going for himself

I don't have friends because I'm "uncool", annoying and very irritating to be around


There's not a lot of things that I can do because simply, I'm too inadequate and inferior. There's no hope.

you are if you think so

This is not true. Low self esteem does not make one a "loser". MR20 suffers from chronic low self esteem, and thus incapacitates himself with a dangerous negative feedback loop of self-criticism.

Im not implying Im being attacked I just like to mention this things out in the open in a friendly way before things get out of hand instead of sending not so friendly PMs but dont worry I wont bother you with this(just dont complain to me if you receive a warning for going getting carried away on a discussion).

Again we have different opinions and you are free to have your own opinion same way Im free to have mine.
edit: keeno theres a moderator attention thread where you can bring something to the mod squad attention and I strongly suggest that you use that next time(this board is huge and there are only 3 of us so we do miss things but any kind of help from users is more than welcome)

An honest one. There has to be a reason why the OP seems to resist all attempt to guide him away from self-deprecation. I'm trying to find out.


No. It is only a question, not an accusation.


It's the same question I've asked others who resist all attempt to guide them away from self-deprecation. Eventually, it all comes down to MR20's motivation.


Well, someone has, and that has resulted in one moderator sending me a PM about it.

Satisfied?

I'm satisfied. I appreciate the fair, honest answers Fnord.

I voted yes. That doesn't mean I think that you suck, or that you're a bad person, and it certainly doesn't mean that you don't have potential. What you have is a losing attitude. You hold onto it like a comfort blankie, and you throw a fit whenever anyone suggests that you throw it away. You've been given so much good advice in the short time I've been reading here, but you reject it and cling to that false impression you have that you are damaged to the point that even small repairs are pointless. I work with people who are much more seriously disabled than you: spina bifida, CF, MS, etc. Most of them are on disability and many of them are quite unattractive in any conventional sense. Some are in wheelchairs, some are blind, some have serious physical deformities. Many of these people are in healthy, stable relationships with lovers, family, the world, and their own selves.
So yes, in life you are losing, and you'll continue to lose out as long as you hold onto the idea that you have no other choice.

If your house is that filthy, you'd be better off in a shelter. You could bathe and wash your clothing. They would help you get a job.
Put yourself on a wait-list for section 8 housing. You're on disability so you qualify for food stamps and Medicaid. I assume you get SSI rather than SSD, since you've never worked and you're poor. You can absolutely afford a low-income subsidized efficiency + utilities on $600/month, plus food stamps. Get a place in a downtown area and you wont need transportation to get to work. You don't need a GED to work a minimum wage job, and if you're as slow as you're convinced you are, there are programs that will find work for you. Working just a few hours a week will supplement your SSI without the risk of losing it. You can get a job where you can work alone, for the most part (sorting clothing in the SalVal warehouse, janitorial, etc), and spend the extra money on the simple things that make you happy.

You live in a country that takes care of its people. You're not taking care of yourself.

2/3rds vote wins in congress
33 to 66
and w/ a pole like this your gonna have people say yes, just to say it



so you rock
I can't get a girl to talk to me because I'm an ugly, slow, stupid, poor, friendless, weird and boring bum that has nothing going for himself
have you tried posting this, this way in a singles ad.....just might work, we all hear a lot of it, so maybe if you can read it in someone else.....your pick up line could be "hey you want to go be a cynic w/ me sometime?"

Tell me, how would my life be any better? I'll still feel the way I feel. (depressed, miserable, lonely, bitter) I'll still be an ugly, slow, stupid, and poor pathetic loser.

I won't have any friends

In addition to the above reasons; Girls won't even talk to me because I'm below the poverty line, I can't drive, and I'm a good for nothing bum.

Tell me, what's the use of living if I have a future like that to look forward to?

i cnat say forsure if i can call you loser and anwer yes or no. one i dont know you in real life. secound am not a mean person so i wont say anything

but what you need is a more postive outlook in life becouse no likes negtaive people

Okay ... let me ask another question - a nicer one this time.

You seem to have access to a computer and an Internet connection. You also seem to be articulate. Your spelling and grammar seem to be on par with first-year university students.

Have you ever thought of combining these into working as a medical transcriptionist or maybe even as a writer of fiction?

Really. I mean it. Please give it some thought before you answer.

You deliberately ignored what I said about working with people who are severely handicapped and physically disfigured, who lead full lives and have good relationships.

I know you're fighting an uphill battle, but it doesn't have to be a losing battle. Depression is a double edged sword, because the only way to get out of it is to motivate yourself to do so; yet depression takes away your motivation. It takes strength to strengthen yourself, ironically. It takes courage to make yourself brave. What you need to do is work out a plan, whether or not you believe in it. FAKE IT. And the moment you have a bit of strength or fortitude (I know you're going to say you NEVER have a good moment, but I won't believe you, so don't bother) that's when you need to strike. Change one thing. It will make you feel better, and give you the empowerment to change another thing, and then another.
Your life isn't hopeless.

I'm starting to think MR20 is an attention whore. He expects us all to pity him. Then when people offer him reasonable advice he goes around making excuses on why he can't do it.