Living with singleness (and liking it)

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29 Apr 2008, 1:45 pm

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While I agree women should arm themselves, as should all people who consider themselves responsible enough to be armed and not accidentally hurt themselves and others, I also certainly see some arrogance here. Here's the antidote to it.

When you've walked my road and you've seen what I've seen, you won't go talkin' bout rightous men.
You'll know damn well why I want to keep to my sky never cry 'neath noboby's heel again.
I've seen torment raked across innocent souls, seen sane men mad and good men die.
I've been hounded, hated, married, and tricked.
I've been tortured, cheated, shot, and tied.
Won't see no tears when I say goodbye.

These lyrics, which I will attribute to Michelle Dockrey, sum up part of the point I'm trying to make here. It's not about suicide or wallowing in your suffering. What we're talking about here is individual liberty and what preserves it or does not preserve it. Intellectual honesty is an important part of individual liberty, I think, and part of intellectual honesty is facing the horrors of life head on. If you're mature about it, you won't try and sugercoat it, excuse it, ignore it, or only see the parts of it you want to see. What so many seem to miss is that if you've been through what Merle has one of the only things worse than experiencing it is having to deny the reality of it to any extent for any reason. Yes, it could happen again. No, a gun or taser is not a guarantee, merely imperfect insurance. People like to say you could always get hit by a bus. Yes, but when you've been hit by a bus, your perspective on getting hit by a bus is far less whimsical. It's not just a statistic, it's a bone-chilling reality and if you are not to yet have the comfort of death you must find a way to live with it. That starts with admitting the full depth adn breadth of how bad it is and it is sustained by never having to deny that depth and breadth for the sake of anyone else's comfort.

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Ive been in your position before-thats the big irony(to me) Frank :P . I do NOT need you to tell me what a vile, nasty place the world is or how life's a b***h, then you die(which is TRUE, I wont deny it). Maybe thats the reason Im scoffing at what you're saying, for years I though the EXACT same way that you do. But lately Ive been getting sick and tired of thinking and feeling that way cuz it just makes me want to do something extremely destructive which would ultimately make my life MUCH worse than it actually is. Yes its a brutal reality we live in but what I want you to know is that I personally feel like I have Finally Found a Way to Live with it! But for me, acceptance is something that I just CANNOT make myself do-no matter how much incentive there is. I am not an adaptable person! And that includes emotional adaptation-which you and others call "acceptance of your situation". You may see lack of acceptance as a refusal to acknowledge reality but I see it as a survival tool. Now there are just about NO guarantee's in life; but to its just STUPID to be passive and submissive and just "let" things happen to you when there IS something you can do to drastically change the odds of it happening! Thats what ticks me off about your remarks concerning
Tasers and Firearms as means of protecting yourself. If something reduces the odds of a negative outcome down to 10% or less, than God Damnit I say USE IT! The lack of certainy does NOT imply that life is completely random and that all you can do is just drift in the current. You will NEVER get me to believe that...Im just not capable of thinking that way.



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29 Apr 2008, 2:12 pm

I'm not saying you shouldn't arm yourself. You should if you're responsible and coordinated enough to merit it, which I'd say most people, with a little instruction, are. The only reason I don't arm myself is I'd poke my eye out, so to speak, on whatever it was I armed myself with. It is worth it to make the odds on your side by whatever measure even though there's not guarantee. That's all I'm stressing is that there's no way to remove risk from the equation, no matter what weapon you've got.

By no means do you need to just let things happen to you. You can stare life down and make your stand however many times you have up to the day you make your final stand. Conversely, you can just laugh while the world burns. I certainly don't favor being passive however. Ironically, by not advocating suicide I am making a concession to conformity. Dying of natural causes when you want to die as soon as possible on your own terms is conforming to the way the world at large wants you to die instead of doing it on your own terms, which is a concession there are excellent reasons for making I should reiterate.

We all have to get by however we have to get by and delusions exist for a reason. I'm just saying that accepting reality is something people should not be afraid to do because other people want them to deny reality. Living in denial can be comforting and as long as it's not interfering with anyone else's rights to acknowledge reality I have no problem with that.

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29 Apr 2008, 2:38 pm

I am not living in denial Frank, but I suppose I AM living in defiance :D . But I will say this:

Better to die on your feet than to live on your knees! :wink:

Now here's the deal with finding a romantic partner-for an aspie like cyberman to just wait for it to happen by chance, he
could end up waiting his whole life. More often than not, most people die without realizing their life is ending-it just HAPPENS and in most circumstances they cant foresee it coming Exactly when it comes. Getting the chance to reflect on your life on the exact day and time that you do is something VERY few people really get a chance to do so. That being said, if you want something like a relationship-its gonna take some effort. You cant rely on everything you want in life to just fall in your lap.



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29 Apr 2008, 2:52 pm

If you want to be in a relationship, sitting around waiting for it to happen probably isn't a winning strategy, agreed. My position is based upon acceptance that it probably won't happen combined with arguments for why not being in one is actually a good thing compared to being in one. Being in a relationship is only better than being single if it's with a rational person and for the right reasons. These things involve considerable amounts of luck as well as effort and you might end up in relationships like mine along the way.

It's not the reflection or lack thereof. It's the simple fact that life ends, and along with it the suffering. What's next? No one knows, so it's kind of a moot point I think. When that inevitable day comes for me, I just want to be sure I can say I lived life on my terms as much as I could.

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29 Apr 2008, 3:44 pm

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If you want to be in a relationship, sitting around waiting for it to happen probably isn't a winning strategy, agreed. My position is based upon acceptance that it probably won't happen combined with arguments for why not being in one is actually a good thing compared to being in one. Being in a relationship is only better than being single if it's with a rational person and for the right reasons. These things involve considerable amounts of luck as well as effort and you might end up in relationships like mine along the way.
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I think you might be right about that :wink: . Seems like the grass is always greener on the other side of the fence.This is TOTALLY off topic but just before I read your post above I was thinking about the Internet as a whole and when you're online, its hard to imagine that you are mortal-it creates for a moment an illusory feeling of immortality. Like cyberspace is a world unto itself..... 8)



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30 Apr 2008, 12:23 am

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Im not trying to sound arrogant but when I have told what Im about to tell you to other women(who were assaulted)-they often reject the idea completely. My advice is to ARM YOURSELF;preferably with a pistol. Last time I told a woman this she responded by telling me "I HATE guns" :roll: . Nothing deters a rapist like an armed woman, ESPECIALLY if she has a gun. If you cant stand firearms another very effective weapon is a C2 TASER.


you certainly are a charmer with the women!


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30 Apr 2008, 3:13 am

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Please, I need some advice. (I'll try not to get too emotional, but it's difficult.) Due to my Asperger's traits, I've never been in a relationship in my life. After entering my mid-20's without ever even dating, it became quite clear that I'm incapable of having a relationship (and please don't try to tell me "You're still young, it'll happen eventually," because you won't be fooling anyone, trust me.)

I have no choice but to accept the fact that I'll always be single. But for some reason which I can't explain, I'm unable to get over my "loneliness." I know it sounds stupid and "emo," but I'm having to see a counselor over this. I need some advice from someone else with Asperger's who has managed to overcome the loneliness and enjoy being single. Please tell me, how is it done?


I don't know but I guess I've sort of gotten used to it. I've gotten so focused on my hobbies that I could care less about relationships. I'm not saying I've never wanted them because I have. I think question is, what can I do about it?

I usually surround myself with ppl I trust or care about. I don't think loneliness has to be exclusive to just sexual intimacy unless that is one thing you're having hard time overcoming. I know it's tough for me in some ways but I've just dealt with it. There's a lot of stuff I like to do. Maybe get into a hobby?


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30 Apr 2008, 11:20 am

You have got to find hobbies. Things that will distract you from the pain. And then what you need to do is practice social skills and learn to be more outgoing. And then possibly start working out and get a job. And then once you have done all of this cool stuff I guarentee you will be a little more likely to make friends. And the older you get the nicer most people are so don't be afraid to open up to someone. Tell them you are not good with social skills but would love to hang out with them...or don't tell them. Nobody thinks "oh he has AS" they just think "Oh, that was awkward" and usually they will laugh...but seriously buddy, don't fret being lonely.

Intelligence is actually very lonely. However there are a lot of things you can be doing other than worrying if you will ever find the right woman...trust me, I know.

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30 Apr 2008, 1:02 pm

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You have got to find hobbies. Things that will distract you from the pain. And then what you need to do is practice social skills and learn to be more outgoing. And then possibly start working out and get a job. And then once you have done all of this cool stuff I guarentee you will be a little more likely to make friends. And the older you get the nicer most people are so don't be afraid to open up to someone. Tell them you are not good with social skills but would love to hang out with them...or don't tell them. Nobody thinks "oh he has AS" they just think "Oh, that was awkward" and usually they will laugh...but seriously buddy, don't fret being lonely.

Did this approach work for you? As I've mentioned before, I do have hobbies. They usually (not always) work in distracting me, but there are those inevitable times when I'm not engaged in those hobbies and the desire to have a mate comes back. I have yet to find a way to get rid of it PERMANENTLY, if there even is one.

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Intelligence is actually very lonely. However there are a lot of things you can be doing other than worrying if you will ever find the right woman...trust me, I know.

I agree, but how can I help it if I'm stuck in a world of NT's who regard it as a natural everyday thing, and they're constantly reminding me of my status? I've tried to isolate myself from all this as much as possible, I've tried to ignore it when I can't be isolated, I even try telling myself that I'm superior to the NT's, but so far, it hasn't worked very well.

Some of you may laugh, but I've seriously considered castration as a solution to this problem. I figured, if it's OK to do this to our pets in order to eliminate those troublesome mating behaviors, then why not do it to ourselves, if needed? However, there are a couple of problems: One, it's very expensive and difficult to obtain (or agonizing and dangerous if you're trying it at home)... Two, there are plenty of serious side effects that come with it (weight gain, weakness, uncontrollable mood swings, bone thinning, etc.) Plus, I'm not even sure it would work, because like I said, I don't think my "loneliness" is entirely sexual.



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30 Apr 2008, 1:13 pm

Actually, I was reading about this movie Hard Candy in which Ellen Page plays a girl who plots to castrate a pedophile. Naturally, this caused a squirmy response in my male self, until the part where they mentioned part of her plot included anesthetic so there wouldn't be any pain. Putting myself in the similar circumstance, while naturally uphappy about being assaulted, I wouldn't be put off by the castration. Never use the things anyway after all.

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06 Apr 2013, 2:08 am

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Please, I need some advice. (I'll try not to get too emotional, but it's difficult.) Due to my Asperger's traits, I've never been in a relationship in my life. After entering my mid-20's without ever even dating, it became quite clear that I'm incapable of having a relationship (and please don't try to tell me "You're still young, it'll happen eventually," because you won't be fooling anyone, trust me.)

I have no choice but to accept the fact that I'll always be single. But for some reason which I can't explain, I'm unable to get over my "loneliness." I know it sounds stupid and "emo," but I'm having to see a counselor over this. I need some advice from someone else with Asperger's who has managed to overcome the loneliness and enjoy being single. Please tell me, how is it done?


There's tons of benefits being single: you don't have to spend as much money, you have more time to yourself and you can make decisions without having to worry about anyone else.

You can pursue career opportunities that you've always wanted, spend more time studying a course you like, travel to more places.

cheer up :)



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06 Apr 2013, 5:34 am

I personally have to try to dive into whatever special interest I have at the time and try to interact with people frequently so that I dont feel so alone/misunderstood

Right now Im going through my first serious breakup.

Ive become a backup organiser of the main local group about my special interest(I could have been the main organiser but I m living with my parents and sometimes they freak out about coming home late on a tuesday so I have to take big breaks).
I meet about 3 new people a week and while I suck remembering most of their names all of them seem to remember mine.
A close friend of mine(main organiser) is a bit surprised about how seriously Im taking things but I needed something to dive into and this works

I go to another group on a smaller scale on Thursdays as an average person

I will go to yet another group on the same subject today for the first time and I have somewhat high hopes for it(weekends are easier than week days when you considering the situation with my parents).

I have made some decent friendships from this groups and we organise outings outside of groups every now and then.

If Im meant to meet someone new I´ll come across them eventually, until then I keep myself busy



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06 Apr 2013, 12:47 pm

A few things..

1. The OP is written from a depressed pov. I could grab my copy of "Feeling Good," by Dr. David Burns and CBT the s**t out of it to prove it if the OP wishes to see what I mean.

2. Codependence. It sounds like the OP has a codependence on finding a partner in order to be happy, and thus w/o one they're miserable. Break that. Your happiness shouldn't depend on not being single, or being around certain people etc. There's no good reason you can't be perfectly content and even happy all by yourself. Learn to do it, it can be done. I know because I've managed to do it myself and continue to get better at it.

3. Learn to appreciate the freedom and joy that can comefrom solitude. Its pretty awesome not to have to answer to anyone, and to just go off and do whatever you like completely solo without a care in the world. I really really really enjoy my solitude while off hiking in the mountains and couldn't possibly care less if there isn't another soul in sight. Its just so.. Peaceful & rejuvinating. You might find the same in a walk, hike, bike, run or something else.

4. Be present. This is the second most valuable piece of advice I've ever received. Align your thoughts with what you're doing in the present moment and you'll be a heck of a lot happier for it vs thinking about other things (ie this topic, or anything else) as thought dictate emotions. (And emotions dictate actions.) Studies have proven that those who are thinking about what they're doing in the present moment vs any other thought feel happiest. The trick is to keep practicing it until it becomes second nature, then if your mind wanders, kick those other thoughts out and re-focus on the task at hand. There are many mental exercises and meditations you can learn to do to practice this and make it happen more and more often until it becomes relatively easy and routine. Then when its the exception, not the rule, that your thoughts go astray you'll have the mental toolbox to deal with the mechanics of your own mind and get things running along in synchronized timing again vs thinking about someone/something else, the past or the future.

Annnnnd once you do these things, chances are you'll be a happier healthier more confident you, and then the possibility of attracting a date/partner becomes much more of a probability - law of attraction, and all. If you're in good mental, physical, and spiritual balance with a positive outlook.. You won't even have to expend energy looking for someone, chances are they'll find you when you least expect it, or you'll mee them at random while you're out enjoying something you like doing for you - bonus, mutual interest number 1 taken care of! Think that's BS? Ok, fine, even if it is you'll still be a happier healthier more confident focused you once you break free of depression and having your own happiness codependent on anyone or anything else & learn to Be present - and all of that is worth the effort for yourself, the person you ought to value equally to or more so than any other on this planet.


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