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29 Jan 2012, 1:16 pm

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Muchly felicitations.

Scroll the screen up and down and try and read your post it looks like 'Much fellatios'.
Well does to me

And I thought it was like "Congrats and wish you much fellatios!"

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29 Jan 2012, 1:17 pm

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It's just so dehumanizing, to see women thrown away as prospects solely because they have children already. I'm so glad it's not like that here. :wink:

I don't think it's dehumanizing to not want to raise and support some other guy's children.

But that is a HUGE leap in reason you are making there. What makes you think that's what she wants? What makes you assume that the father, who's still in the picture, would even allow that?

For example, like I said, no one gets to even meet my children until the relationship gets to a level where I'm comfortable with them knowing my kids. No one would *ever* be allowed to support or raise my children (I make more money than most of the men I meet, anyway, that's just reality), other than their father. And that's how it should be.

I think you'll find that this is more often the situation than you think. Yes, this woman that Boo's interested in is living with her folks, so she needs to figure out how to support herself, but I still maintain that it's a giant assumption that she's looking for a new daddy for her kids, especially with the dad still in the picture.

I think you misunderstand. I personally don't care if she is or isn't looking for a new dad for her kids. I wouldn't be anywhere around to find out. I have absolutely no interest going out with anyone who already has children from a previous relationship. You can get mad about that if you want, but it's my life and my choice.

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29 Jan 2012, 2:10 pm

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no, not personally at all. but when you make blanket statements about women, you're going to get some backlash

That has been a common thing on WP (for alleged statetements...), for a long time, so................ so what?

i have no idea what you are saying here.

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especially since you have absolutely zero evidence for what you're saying.

Wrong. Anecdotal evidence isn't zero evidence. And... the issue looks related to statistics, the tendency to show Y women for X men and relating it with the places in which occur and culture, is reasonable. You don't (or didn't) have much of a case.

pretty much every single assertion that any person can make at any time can be "proven" by anecdotal evidence. so anecdotal evidence is absolutely useless because for every generalisation that a person supposedly "observes", the equal and opposite assertion can be made. so it zeros out.

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29 Jan 2012, 2:15 pm

rabbittss wrote:

mv wrote:

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It's just so dehumanizing, to see women thrown away as prospects solely because they have children already. I'm so glad it's not like that here. :wink:

I don't think it's dehumanizing to not want to raise and support some other guy's children.

Nope, didn't misunderstand, and I'm *very* glad that you identify yourself in such a way. It makes things so much simpler.

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29 Jan 2012, 2:21 pm

I'm not quite so absolutist on the subject, but it would depend on various things.

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29 Jan 2012, 2:30 pm

Sorry for being late to the party.

I read the title and went: oh, no, poor Boo!
Then I read the first post and I went: Go Boo, go Boo!
And then i read the rest of it and when: wtf, Boo?

Well, not sure what to say. It's sure great that there's a lady who wants you. She sure does. I guess it's a good feeling. On the other hand, it IS complicated, especially if you're sure she is looking for marriage and what no. If you're not ready for it, don't go into this. Not sure what else to say.

There isn't a chance she wants to have something more casual?

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29 Jan 2012, 2:34 pm

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There isn't a chance she wants to have something more casual?

Not a chance yon man could talk to her about it?

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29 Jan 2012, 2:42 pm

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Well, let's suppose I am interested in her for something long-term, she's flaking the dates a day before anyway (maybe for genuine reasons, maybe not), so I was in a "go Boo" mode.

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There isn't a chance she wants to have something more casual?

Maybe, maybe not, the latter is more probable if you think about her behaviors.

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29 Jan 2012, 2:43 pm

Maybe you should just wait and see, and enjoy the ride?

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29 Jan 2012, 2:48 pm

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Maybe you should just wait and see, and enjoy the ride?

That's exactly what I am doing. No rush, no hassle.

But I don't think women see me as a short-term material.

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29 Jan 2012, 3:33 pm

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no, not personally at all. but when you make blanket statements about women, you're going to get some backlash

That has been a common thing on WP (for alleged statetements...), for a long time, so................ so what?

i have no idea what you are saying here.

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especially since you have absolutely zero evidence for what you're saying.

Anecdotal evidence is evidence, however unreliable and isn't empirical. The issue is that it appears that you are dismissing an idea and a possibility with "you have zero evidence" as a whole, as is still evidence but not the sort of evidence you may want to expect, and even though anecdotal evidence is unreliable, the possibility of it being true exists.

And to the rest of my post you didn't reply, the idea of an statistical tendency pointing out a number of individuals of one gender's attitudes or behaviours higher than the number of the other gender, makes sense, and is reasonable. It doesn't say all women are this, but it shows a tendency due to cultural values and societal norms or other reasons. And it makes sense, I mean, considering gender roles in a given culture, is not something to clearly dismiss, unless it hurts your bias or something. If you find that offensive, or an opinion of the tendency based on the person's personal experience offensive, then that is YOUR problem and your issue rather than theirs.

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i have no idea what you are saying here.

Such backlashs wether founded or unfounded are common here.

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29 Jan 2012, 3:35 pm

The_Face_of_Boo wrote:

But I don't think women see me as a short-term material.

That's a shame. What do you want, Boo?

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29 Jan 2012, 3:40 pm

blunnet wrote:

hyperlexian wrote:

blunnet wrote:

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no, not personally at all. but when you make blanket statements about women, you're going to get some backlash

That has been a common thing on WP (for alleged statetements...), for a long time, so................ so what?

i have no idea what you are saying here.

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especially since you have absolutely zero evidence for what you're saying.

Anecdotal evidence is evidence, however unreliable and isn't empirical. The issue is that it appears that you are dismissing an idea and a possibility with "you have zero evidence" as a whole, as is still evidence but not the sort of evidence you may want to expect, and even though anecdotal evidence is unreliable, the possibility of it being true exists.

And to the rest of my post you didn't reply, the idea of an statistical tendency pointing out a number of individuals of one gender's attitudes or behaviours higher than the number of the other gender, makes sense, and is reasonable. It doesn't say all women are this, but it shows a tendency due to cultural values and societal norms or other reasons. And it makes sense, I mean, I think due to gender rules to out culture, is reasonable. If you find that offensive, or an opinion of the tendency based on the person's personal experience offensive, then that is YOUR problem and your issue rather than theirs.

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i have no idea what you are saying here.

Such backlashs wether founded or unfounded are common here.

the thing is that... there isn't any evidence, empirical OR anecdotal, that proves or even demonstrates that women behave in that certain manner (as per the example earlier in the thread) more often compared to men. any anecdotal evidence can also be refuted with opposing anecdotal evidence; this makes it pointless.

if an opinion is asserted as fact, it will not be taken seriously without some body of reputable evidence.

you are still not making sense to me with the last part. there has been a lot of sexism in this forum in the past, but that doesn't mean it should continue.

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29 Jan 2012, 4:09 pm

Tequila wrote:

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But I don't think women see me as a short-term material.

That's a shame. What do you want, Boo?

I dunno, I was literally (by women, in an outing) referred once as an example for the typical "commitment type" of guys (aka not fling type). And they always had that impression about me.

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29 Jan 2012, 4:12 pm

If you just really want to get laid then you'd have to make changes to your personality, I'd think.

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29 Jan 2012, 4:42 pm

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Evidence demonstrates but almost never proves anything. But it's still evidence to keep in mind. If you have evidence that overrules the anecdotal evidence, post it for once.

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if an opinion is asserted as fact, it will not be taken seriously without some body of reputable evidence.

There are opinions that are based on consistent observations of things around us. And so if you wish to be serious, you do often have to take some opinions seriously.

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you are still not making sense to me with the last part. there has been a lot of sexism in this forum in the past, but that doesn't mean it should continue.

I sure hope this forum doesn't get any worse with people like you wanting to stop "sexism" from being expressed here.

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