Do women make lots of effort to attract men?

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That does not mean that him reaching a size is legit because he stopped them after reaching. Just ask any renouned sporting group and all the athletes fighting he their numbers should stand because they weren't juicing the month of hose records.

yeah, if mxh hates wolf that's fine, but posting his fb is classless.

i believe you mean renowned? yeah i know, im just saying he is not using now..in case anyone thought he was.

Lol. About as classy as talking behind someone's back. Or did you forget doing that?

He used them, s it doesn't matter what he gets to because its building over something engineered. Also tons of the crap most gym nuts stuff down their throats is not healthy eating and usually those people have no damn clue what they're ingesting besides what the current fad is.

When they do they get angry when men ignore them!

Let it go, mxh, let the past be the past, I have clearly moved on and so have other members. There's no need to create any more fuss took one cycle for three months, I am hardly someone who took them for years.

You know as well as I do that you can achieve a ripped look through correct training and diet with no steroids. Like I said look at popular weight loss programs, males become more muscular at the end result by following the same routine as females.

Lol. I'm not even going to go there.
And a 3 month binge is more than enough to permanently affect the way your body produces hormones. If anything the only reason you didn't die from the amounts you took is because you stopped in less than 8 months. High muscle growth rate, high intensity workouts and no changes in cardiovascular performance. Good recipe for a heart attack.

Because those programs are as you said it 'weight loss programs'. Its glorified cardio that actually burns fat, and the males had more muscle under the fat. Thus when you remove the fat you're left with... bingo muscle. Again more misconceptions on what things do.

but females don't require to become muscular in order to be attractive by most males, that's what you're not getting.

YES, it's HARDER for females to get a muscular body than males due to the biological reasons you mentioned, but I wasn't talking Male muscular body vs Female muscular body.

When you ask men what's sexy, most of them won't show you a pic of a muscular female body, but often show you slim to curvy body.

But when you ask women what's sexy, they usually show you the typical six-packed ripped male body. A body that's only achievable by taking nasty stuff or being rich celeb who can afford high quality food, time and lifestyle. ( And I highly doubt they don't take any nasty stuff, but they don't publish such things because it's unsexy, promoting their workout as healthy sounds sexier, most of them lie I guess).

That's the difference.

This is also a thing you get confused in. The body that girls often go for isn't the bodybuilder, its someone around 155 to 1ù0lb and lean. Meaning he has muscles, but isn't built. If anything boo i think you're closer to the actual hotter by female standards body than wolfy is.

Some are very aware of what they're ingesting and its effects, a lot of those gym guys are biology/hormones nerds since they read a lot of books and guides about these stuff.

But they keep doing it, why? because they're victims of the media's "perfect male body" and the reactions they witness of females toward such "perfect male body" (*hint hint: like on this thread*...*cough TGH....*cough** Shneek...) desperately motivate those victims even more to go that road.

Not at all. Most of the books they read are made to sell according to a fad. I've seen enough arguments between a gym buff and a doctor over what they should ingest for best results to see where the common mistakes are.

Tgh and shneek doubtfully like a male with that body, what they see (or saw until you pointed it was boosted) was the idea that a strict 'healthy' plan and dediction was all it takes. Its a form of attractive confidence for them. The body itself isn't what they're after.

I'm not to sure about that like look in women's thread.
http://www.wrongplanet.net/postt232643.html

But they are all really built men, no toned lean there. But it isn't much of a sample.
MjrMajorMajor was arguing at the start of the thread, but see she posted a big muscle guy.
For women i think it is more of an alpha thing, like the bigger, stronger you are the better. (like all other ape species)
But I do agree they don't like total hard core body builders, like those people look like freaks.

Yeah, with 18, as long as they have tough skin. With 33 you have the alternative of being skinny as an concentration camp victim, having sagging ass, boobs, upper legs, ..., or get yourself some muscles. XD Same goes with the breasts. ^^

Beside the fact, that what you seem to think of being beautiful is that sick thing , while what I am talking about is that or I do believe you, when you say that you think of "skinny, skinny and nothing else" as female beauty standard, because your male beauty standard is extreme as well, but luckily not everyone is that easily influenced by media. However, I am asking myself, why you make women responsible for you being jealous at a beauty standard you yourself have defined, and that rarely anyone agrees with. Sure there are some people that really like that sick stuff, just as there are some women, that really like muscle frogs, but its your decision if you want to obey that sick standards. Dont blame others for YOUR decision, specially when about 95% of the people dont even think of the way that your decision would require them to think.

Sorry, but its not womens responsibility that you seek yourself an beauty standard for women, that every doctor can tell you to be sick (just be skinny, nothing more) instead of an normal healthy beauty standard that includes muscles to have some curves. Yop, curves come from muscles, not from bones. That typical women Cola-bottle standard, you dont get with being skinny. Curves dont come from bones, women dont have bones there, where beauty standard wants them. If you are lucky and you have a tight skin and good connective tissue below, than you can afford having curves built of fat. Every other woman needs to choose between, having sagging "curves", having no curves at all, or getting yourself some muscles.

If one of the following points is wrong please tell me.

1) For both of our sexes, there are different kind of beauty standards and some of them are really sick.

2) Luckily noone forces us to agree to them.

3) If you decide that you wanna look like a sick beauty standard tells you, its not everyone elses fault: ITS YOUR DESICION, SO YOUR f*****g FAULT.

4) If you think that your desicion is a dumb one, THEN ITS YOUR f*****g FAULT IF YOU STILL DO IT.

5) IF I DECIDE TO PUNSH A KNIFE THROUGH MY HAND WITHOUT THE NEED TO DO SO: Its not your fault, its not the societys fault, its not anyone else fault, its not mens fault, its not the vaticans fault, its not the feminists fault. ITS YOUR f*****g FAULT.

Sure I could be so dumb and simply obey to some sick peoples beauty standards as yours. But I simply dont want to. So I dont do it. If you also dont want to do that, then dont do it.

BUT STOP BLAMING PEOPLE FOR YOU GOING TO GYM. I DONT MAKE YOUR LEGS WALK INTO A GYM. YOUR BRAIN DOES! So blame your brain for obeying stupid beauty standard, instead of doing his work. I dont have a button to get that thing started and to tell you that its stupid, to obey blindly radical, sick beauty standards. I can only tell you about that. But the only one, who can push that button is you. So either decide to push the button, or decide to not push the button. But thats your decision, and you are the one you have to blame, if you think, that your desicion is wrong. Noone forces me to obey that beauty standards, and noone forces you.

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^^ what the hell you are talking about, I never claimed I like extremely skinny girls.

I find the dancer body way sexier.

Reread my posts, reread my arguments.


I SAID, the perfect female body for most guys in REAL life is different than the what fashion sees as perfect female body, the first pic you showed me is the typical fashion model. Most men won't see it sexy, they don't like the skinny fashion model type.

You are just upset because I have exposed that the male body type YOU fancy and like is often the result of hormonal body engineering.


I do not obey typical media beauty standards, I defy most of them.

YOU are the one who obeys to them, the list of celebs you posted is the proof of what you like and fancy, and your first reaction to kazuki's body.

And because you'r upset, you're projecting incorrect stuff on me.

I agree with the dancier being ten times sexier...but the picture is of an professional standard dancer, that worksout about 4 hours a day. The other one is a professional volleyball player. Thats what I want to say all the time. As a woman you need muscles too, to be sexy. And the additional problem, as you may know yourself is, that on one side you shall have some muscles to be sexy, which needs to be taken care of in the diet, and on the other side you shall hardly eat anything. Thats why so many women are into running or other cardio stuff, because if you simply eat less, you get skinny, but alos your muscles get away and your connective tissues starts to sag, because of the missing nutrients in the food, that are simply missing because with 1200 calories, you are hardly able to eat the affordable nutrients. So you eat more, to get the afforded nutrients, on the other side you have to much calories because of that. And thats why they are running all the time, so that the calories get away. I dont think, that the time you need to fulfill one of that beauty standards is so much else then the other. You workout, while they run on that machine. From my oppinion, both boring as hell.

You are always talking about "simply eating lesser". Sure, to acchieve a normal healthy female figure as BMI 20-22, you simply need a healthy diet, do some sport and its done, nothing bad about it. But todays crazy beauty standards require BMI from 16-18. And to require that, you dont need a healthy diet, but you can only acchieve that with a very unhealthy diet, that doesnt support you with the nutrients, your body simply needs. My sister had anorexia and ran around with those BMIs, and when you already need to go to the dentist, because of the stomach acid destroying your teeth and the way between mouth and stomache as well, I dont think you would think of it being so funny and easy to simply "eat less and puke".

And to end her sickness, she needed to realize that she is the one in the end, that can decide to torture herself with that beauty standards, and thats her desicion to stop it. With you its the same: If you are obeying a sick beauty standard, doing stuff in an intensity thats sick - stop it. I have been also skinnier in earlier times, but accepted in the end a more healthier weight for me, that maybe doesnt match super beauty standards. So I am normal thin now, but not superthin any longer. Still I havent heard anything bad from someone, and even my partner said that my hip bones aren´t torturing him anymore. And with you it will be the same: Noone will suddenly have more or less interest on you because of your bizeps being an half inch smaller or bigger. If you feel tortured by your beauty standard: Then change it.

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If the dancer had a more bit fat and less muscular I would still find her sexier than the fashion model, I don't have crazy beauty standards as you're claiming.

The only body types I find unattractive are overweight (obese) and overskinny, anything in between is very fine.