Living with parents kind of puts the kibosh on dating?

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20 Jul 2018, 7:53 pm

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I'll admit, it worries me a bit because there's a stigma with that, but several adults live at home because rent is outrageous in price and basically a waste of money and saving to buy a house is the better way to go. I say if you live at home but contribute heavily to the house like sharing all expenses and working/going to college full-time, I see nothing wrong with it. It's the ones who are unemployed(by choice) or people like that 30 year old guy who had to get kicked out by a court order for doing absolutely nothing: those are the ones I can see having no dating life.

I agree with you about different sorts of situations for living at home. All the same, there are likely to be slightly uncomfortable circumstances when your dating and your family of origin intersect. Not insurmountable, and it depends on how intrusive your well-meaning parents are.

You are entirely right that the only thing that makes sense financially is to figure out how to own, not rent. However, I'm waiting to see how the change in taxation affects that for people from this year forward.


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20 Jul 2018, 8:15 pm

Both the richest guys I ever met in my town rent.

The rest of us either do that or live with family, or some of both. Nobody my age can own homes starting at a million so only some of us here even bother renting. The more studious one is here, absent an extremely cushy work life, the less likely we can afford any housing.

I'm cool with Bea & her reasoning is sound but it just doesn't apply unless we see social equality for young people.


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21 Jul 2018, 2:29 am

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of course most people attending University are probably in a relationship or at least "dating".


Of course, those with no preëxisting social life, who don't work and whose parents don't want them to, but in exchange want them to be entirely at their disposal, and routinely disregard their need to study as a mere obsession, keeping them under a constant, implicit threat that they won't have enough time to study and their studies will then be ruined, so they can't afford to spare any time for essentially any other goal of their own, don't get into a relationship in the first place, let alone date. In fact, they're likely to remain isolated enough and ignorant enough of the world around them that they have no clue whether dating is indeed very prevalent, or it's more like a rare privilege very few among their peers get to experience.


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21 Jul 2018, 2:46 am

I think it does for those still in the dating part of the relationship cycle. Outside of that, people who have known each other a long time or are in a serious relationship are mature enough to realise the current economic climate in western and European countries.

My friends are a couple and even with a newborn they don't live together but at each others' parents.
This is while they save to move in together. Using this as an example to maybe give you guys a bit of a positive boost.

The important thing is to show that you can be independent. Living somewhere not with family or shown that you have in the past, demonstrates this.

I am making the tough decision to move home after my tenancy agreement expires rather than renewing it. I could stay, but to prove what? It will only cripple my current financial situation and I won't be able to provide for someone else or go on any dates. It's a catch 22. But..I know the right person will understand my reasoning behind this.


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21 Jul 2018, 4:24 am

The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
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Yes, but in chunks.

Wow, you must be really... Kind! Let's get married. :heart:


Oh yes! Yes!

Father was like.....'we will help you back if you find a good wife'. :lol:

I think they wouldn't approve of us then... :cry:



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21 Jul 2018, 4:48 am

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The economic situation facing the millennials cannot be compared to that experienced by previous generations. I left my job in my early 40s because of stress and other factors, and have never worked full-time since. Nonetheless I was fortunate enough to buy a house in the North of England for £19,000 in 1988, and (believe it or not) a flat in London for £35,000 in 1998. That flat would cost a prospective buyer around £250,000 today, and it wasn't even a proper one bedroom flat (a 'studio' flat, in fact).

If I'd been born two decades later, I could easily have been homeless by now, and certainly would never have been able to acquire those properties.

The politicians and central bankers who have created the conditions for this to happen have a lot to answer for, though to be fair there are other factors involved as well.


Bea I think this context needs to be taken into account, also the context of being a young person on the spectrum in todays more complex world.
On a personal note I don't care if a chap lives with his folks, as long as they have the ability to respect his agency.



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21 Jul 2018, 5:06 am

Why do they say ability when they mean willingness, or, more plainly, canbeassedtogiveacrapness?


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21 Jul 2018, 5:21 am

I chose the word ability as it is the most accurate way of summarising.
The way you portray your parents spiderpig leads me to believe that they have their own challenges with ability.

Ability can be based on experiences and genes, my parents had no awareness of ASD because it just didn't exist in their world. How can older parents be held accountable for lack of awareness in the past, it doesn't fly for me.

Threads that imply blame are rarely helpful, unless perhaps they lead to examining the problems with the bigger picture.



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21 Jul 2018, 5:42 am

Amity wrote:
I chose the word ability as it is the most accurate way of summarising.
The way you portray your parents spiderpig leads me to believe that they have their own challenges with ability.

Ability can be based on experiences and genes, my parents had no awareness of ASD because it just didn't exist in their world. How can older parents be held accountable for lack of awareness in the past, it doesn't fly for me.

Threads that imply blame are rarely helpful, unless perhaps they lead to examining the problems with the bigger picture.

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21 Jul 2018, 6:14 am

I'm not blaming anyone—I've repeatedly gone out of my way to acknowledge their right to behave that way. Besides, I don't think written rights matter all that much compared with the simple fact that they can do it and noöne will stop them; in other words, the law of the jungle. But none of this changes the fact that it's a choice they're making, and they could make the opposite choice at any time if they cared to.


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21 Jul 2018, 12:32 pm

BeaArthur wrote:
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And what would your daughter's achievement be in life without her boyfriend?

The only reason why she is not living with you now, is because she relies financially on a man.

Is this a problem?


It means she is not successful. By Bea/Fnord's definition of success at least.

At the end of her life, I'll let you know if she was successful. She is learning and growing all the time. But this thread is about dating and having romantic relationships. In that area of her life, she is far more successful than you.

Now, since I don't see any point in interacting with you further, I'll ask you to stop posting on my thread. If you enjoy the topic, start your own thread. If you do continue to post here after I've asked you not to, I WILL

report you.


Hey Bea, the mods have hopefully told you this, but there is no forum rule here saying that the OP can say who posts in threads they start. This is a public forum.


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21 Jul 2018, 12:34 pm

BeaArthur wrote:
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Old people should stop pretending that they made it because they were simply better hard workers while implying that millennials are lazier ; no you were not.

Millennials should stop blaming a bad economy from 2008 to 2016 for their inability to live with roommates or find a job post-recession. Things have improved a great deal, but it seems many younger people have lost the initiative to jump back in, start at ground zero perhaps and tenaciously work their way up.

But that's not what this thread was about. It's not about generational differences or cultural differences between north and south. It's about living arrangements that make dating more, or less, plausible.


Its not just Millenials who dislike the BABY boomers. We Gen Xers do too. I see typical BABY boomer thinking in your statement of "its not us that did wrong, but political shifts".


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21 Jul 2018, 12:39 pm

To Everybody: Because of various facts of economy and reality, we as a society need to stop viewing this situation as a failure and accept it as new normal, which it is.

Pretty soon it wont even be "new" normal, just normal.

Incidently, my NT mother NEVER was able ever in her life to live on her own, it was always either her father, my father, or in the five years following my fathers death ME that supported her. Its the reason I had to live in the horrible mosquito infested swamp called Mississippi for five years, doing a resource extraction job I disliked for Shell Oil.


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21 Jul 2018, 12:45 pm

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SOME parents are cool with it and even encourage it. I’m not one of those parents. You want my daughter? First you have to get past my 12-gauge. Then I need to see that minimum 1 CT diamond along with the receipt that says you paid in full with CASH. THEN we can start talking about it, and I make no promises.
I know you were joking but...

If a father ever tried that sh** with me, I'd have my attorney and the county (parish) sheriff contact him, and make him wish he never had that stupid idea in the first place. Case in point: a friend of a friend once threatened me with brass knuckles, which are illegal in my state. I went to the police. He was arrested, and spent time in the county jail. He now has two misdemeanor charges and a restraining order on his record. Good luck getting an office job with that! Or if I lived in a state with a Stand Your Ground law (mine isn't), I can imagine a worse outcome. (Provided I was standing just outside someone's property line, and not on their porch.)

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21 Jul 2018, 2:05 pm

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SOME parents are cool with it and even encourage it. I’m not one of those parents. You want my daughter? First you have to get past my 12-gauge. Then I need to see that minimum 1 CT diamond along with the receipt that says you paid in full with CASH. THEN we can start talking about it, and I make no promises.


Would 5 cows and 10 goats suffice?



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21 Jul 2018, 2:43 pm

The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
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SOME parents are cool with it and even encourage it. I’m not one of those parents. You want my daughter? First you have to get past my 12-gauge. Then I need to see that minimum 1 CT diamond along with the receipt that says you paid in full with CASH. THEN we can start talking about it, and I make no promises.


Would 5 cows and 10 goats suffice?

If we wanna play that game then the guy should require her to be a virgin too before the marriage. :lol: