Modern Love, Aspergers + Marriage by David Finch
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This guy, David Finch, just came out with a book...which I was googling and came up with a link to this article he wrote in 2009 when his wife realized he is an Aspergian.
For all of you who write, piss and moan about relationships and love and possible partners, this is a compelling read, from the NY Times...
Modern Love
Somewhere Inside, a Path to Empathy
By DAVID FINCH
IT wasn’t working, any of it. Our third year of marriage threatened to be our last. I’d become cynical and withdrawn, obsessive and preoccupied, dismissive and unhelpful.
“I don’t know when things got bad,” Kristen said, wiping away tears. “I feel like I’ve lost you and I don’t know what will bring you back.”
In reality she hadn’t lost me. She’d found me. The facade of semi-normalcy I’d struggled to maintain was falling away, revealing the person I’d been since childhood. I didn’t even know what was wrong with me, though my wife, a speech pathologist who works with autistic children, had her suspicions. Even so, it would be another two years before she would put all the pieces together and attach a name to what was ruining our marriage: Asperger’s syndrome.
During Kristen’s first few years of practice, she worked only with severely autistic children. But as she expanded her clientele to include higher-functioning kids, she started learning more about Asperger’s syndrome, a comparatively mild autism spectrum disorder characterized by egocentricity and impairments in communication and socialization. That’s when she started seeing parallels to my behaviors.
One evening after we put the kids to bed, Kristen approached me with a smile, wrapped me in a hug and asked me to come downstairs to her office. First she allowed me to complete my 8:30 p.m. routine, fully aware of how essential it is to my peace of mind: circle the downstairs, note which lights are on, and stare out the front window, visually lining up the neighbors’ rooftops. I finally joined her at her desk, where she sat at the computer, ready to administer an online Asperger’s evaluation.
Looking somehow clinical in her pajamas, Kristen instructed me to answer the questions honestly. No problem, since I’m honest to a fault when I choose to speak to people. For the next two hours, she led me through questions that at times had us both laughing with recognition:
¶Do you often talk about your special interests whether or not others seem interested? Who’s not interested in cleaning-product slogans?
¶Do you rock back and forth or side to side for comfort, to calm yourself, when excited or overstimulated? Where’s the hidden camera?
¶Do you get frustrated if you can’t sit in your favorite seat? Friendships have ended over this.
And on it went.
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http://www.nytimes.com/2009/05/17/fashi ... d=all&_r=0
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That was wonderful!
If only every Aspie could be married to someone who's familiar with the disorder.
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They're out there. A lot of them have come here for help. A while ago while listening to my coworker talk about her husband, I suspected he may have ASD. The more she talked about him the more I was convinced. I brought her one of my books on ASD and she agreed. But guess what? She doesn't care. She now has an explanation for some of the quirky things he does. But really, if she never found out why, it wouldn't matter. She had learned to adapt and continues to loves him. She said he was made for her and when she talks about him, it's awesome. Sure he continues to do quirky things and they sometimes piss her off. But when she tells me what he's done, I just look at her and she says "I know, I know"! !! ! Then we move on.

They're out there. A lot of them have come here for help. A while ago while listening to my coworker talk about her husband, I suspected he may have ASD. The more she talked about him the more I was convinced. I brought her one of my books on ASD and she agreed. But guess what? She doesn't care. She now has an explanation for some of the quirky things he does. But really, if she never found out why, it wouldn't matter. She had learned to adapt and continues to loves him. She said he was made for her and when she talks about him, it's awesome. Sure he continues to do quirky things and they sometimes piss her off. But when she tells me what he's done, I just look at her and she says "I know, I know"! !! ! Then we move on.
Lol

I just worry that young women are too selfish these days to take the time, or have the patience to "learn to adapt", you know? Oh well.
The worst thing is that I've seen them try so hard too, to try and cope/understand. I wasn't any help since I didn't even know it was AS, but I could see it sucking the energy and life out of them

My ex-fiance drove herself to the edge of sanity trying to get it, trying to understand what she could do to help me... but there was nothing, I wasn't even unhappy really. I was just miserable that she couldn't just be happy with the way I was


They're out there. A lot of them have come here for help. A while ago while listening to my coworker talk about her husband, I suspected he may have ASD. The more she talked about him the more I was convinced. I brought her one of my books on ASD and she agreed. But guess what? She doesn't care. She now has an explanation for some of the quirky things he does. But really, if she never found out why, it wouldn't matter. She had learned to adapt and continues to loves him. She said he was made for her and when she talks about him, it's awesome. Sure he continues to do quirky things and they sometimes piss her off. But when she tells me what he's done, I just look at her and she says "I know, I know"! !! ! Then we move on.
Lol

I just worry that young women are too selfish these days to take the time, or have the patience to "learn to adapt", you know? Oh well.
The worst thing is that I've seen them try so hard too, to try and cope/understand. I wasn't any help since I didn't even know it was AS, but I could see it sucking the energy and life out of them

My ex-fiance drove herself to the edge of sanity trying to get it, trying to understand what she could do to help me... but there was nothing, I wasn't even unhappy really. I was just miserable that she couldn't just be happy with the way I was

It takes a certain kind of person. I am a lot older than you, but the way I am now is the way I was at your age so I know it's possible. Some people want so badly to cope/understand but they don't realize they just can't. They don't want to give up because they feel it would make them a bad person. So they keep trying harder and harder which ends up making things worse. They don't realize it's okay to say "I can't handle what this entails". It's okay to walk away. But there are women young and old who are in it for the long haul.
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uwmonkdm: Understanding goes both ways. I'm AS and dating someone who is PDD-NOS. It's not the same thing as AS but all of the overlaps are really similar, minus 2 major areas in his case. Even being AS sometimes we have misunderstandings - usually over lack of theory of mind issues. I've kind of learned to adapt because I've known about mine longer, so I go through it first intellectually in an exercise putting myself in his place whenever there is a misunderstanding but he hasn't learned how to do that yet, mainly because he hasn't known about it until very recently.
Bottom line is if both of you aren't activity doing it - it's not going to be a good recipe. That doesn't mean young women aren't out there who won't suit you, you just need to look at how much effort you are willing to put in during misunderstandings and make sure you have somebody who is willing to put the same amount of effort in for them too.
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Bottom line is if both of you aren't activity doing it - it's not going to be a good recipe. That doesn't mean young women aren't out there who won't suit you, you just need to look at how much effort you are willing to put in during misunderstandings and make sure you have somebody who is willing to put the same amount of effort in for them too.
I sometimes feel though that one person ends up doing a little more work than the other. Or compromising just a little bit more. That doesn't mean it can't still work out.
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That's true - it depends on the issue.
Sometimes he makes all the concessions, sometimes I do. Sometimes we have to find a way to compromise.
But in the end it should balance out overall in terms of the big picture.
And going through the intellectual exercises for theory of mind never hurts for both parties, in any case, it's a good habit to practise.
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That's true - it depends on the issue.
Sometimes he makes all the concessions, sometimes I do. Sometimes we have to find a way to compromise.
But in the end it should balance out overall in terms of the big picture.
And going through the intellectual exercises for theory of mind never hurts for both parties, in any case, it's a good habit to practise.
Balance, yes!
That's a wonderful story that made me smile, what a wonderfully patient wife he has. I love how they made communication part of his daily routine so it became easier for him. We may not have these natural instincts automatically installed into us but its never too late to learn with the right support.
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It's really great to see that his wife is so dedicated to understanding him. There are certainly a lot of people who are capable of understanding Asperger's. From my own experience, it takes dedication, a lot of patience and understanding to be able to make things work. Once the understanding is there and clear communication is established, it should be a lot easier for the Aspie to be able to compromise with the NT.
I found that when I started changing my mindset to the way my boyfriend's mind worked, things started to improve a lot. When I started understanding my boyfriend's behaviours and shared my knowledge of Asperger's with him, it took a while for him to open up and begin discussing it with me properly, but he eventually opened up to me completely about it. I found that the more I mentioned it and demonstrated my understanding, the more he became comfortable talking to me about it. It helped a lot once that understanding was established because then he started to understand me a lot more as well and we are now able to communicate our needs effectively.
I think that with the right resources that anybody dedicated enough can work through Asperger's. It's all about understanding from both the NT and the Aspie. All romantic relationships require work to be put into them for them to be successful and they aren't always easy.
I knew from the moment that I met my Husband that something was off, But I thought because I had been in so many unhealthy relationships with NT's that being with one of the Good guys ( as his sister described him to me was going to really change my life) It certainly has. I ignored all my Clinical experience's with special needs children and life experience of being a mother of a special needs child whom had passed away 10 years earlier. I ignored all of these things because he seems to be so tender and genuine, which he really can be. I try to research all that I can and talk with him and get us on the same page. But there are some days like today that I am left drained.
His behavior this weekend has left me feeling so unvalued over something that would normally seem trivial. This has been going on for two years and I am so beyond frustrated and would love to hear some advis on how I can combat this little thing that has become much larger that it should be.
My Husband won't leave my Beverages alone!
Friday I had a cup of tea as I was cleaning the house, I would come to it every so often as a little break, and once again it is missing, I asked him where is my tea and he looks at me like Uh OH! and says it looked out of place in such a clean room I can make you another. I just shook my head and said forget it.
Saturday I had a cup of Orange Juice and got up to go check my facebook account and when I came back a few minutes later it was gone, I looked around and saw the empty cup sitting next to his glass of beer and I asked him DId you take my OJ, He looked at me again like Uh OH! and he said I thought you were done with it so I added it to my beer. I pretty much lit into him and told him he needed to start asking me and stop making assumptions, I was so mad I had to leave the room.
Sunday, I ate my dinner with a glass of wine and decided I wanted too drink the remainder of my cup later in the evening. Took it in the kitchen and went about a painting project I was doing, When I finished I came looking for my Wine glass to find it emply. I asked honey where did my wine go, Once again he looked at me like a two year old and said should have I gotten myself a beer instead.
What is going on with this, Does he not remember the conversations ? I am absolutely bewildered. This obviously is just the tip of the iceburg I could right a book on trivial little things that have become mountains and I wish I could find a way to communicate to him in a way that It would register.
In the past the only things that have seemed effective has been severely emarrassing moments. When we first were married and merged our families, he was having severe OCD Behaviors one being a problem with flushing the toilet's. I tried talking to him and he seemed to understand, But the behavior did not stop until one of my teenage Son's totally was inappropriate and spread the issue on Facebook. I was so embarrased for my husband and furious with my son. But the behavior stopped after that, Do we have to do things that extreme to get him to Respect us ?????
The funny thing is that I can identify with his drinks issue (I have no problem with flushing the toilet, other than trying to decide whether to wash my hands before opening the door on my way out or after I've opened it!). Firstly, from my point of view, the drinks thing is not a lack of respect for you, just a lack of understanding of what you wanted from him. Secondly, it's 3 separate occasions and on each one he did a different thing with the drink, two of them for different reasons. I know we're all different, but to me I would probably need to be told after each occasion that you'd rather I didn't clean your cup away or drink it or add it to my drink. I need clear rules, so hints don't work and even when I know the rules I often forget them when I'm thinking about something else. Plus knowing when is the right time to do/not do something is when it gets difficult to decide whether to do/not do something. For me, the best way would be to give him a rule of never touching your drink - that way he can't go wrong. And if he does it again, make a 'Don't touch it!' sign and pop it on your drink when you leave the room. Sounds odd when I write it down, but that would be enough to stop me doing it - I'd need to have a habit of doing nothing to the drink to not do it when I felt like it!
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