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09 Oct 2015, 12:39 pm

People at my church seem to dislike, ignore and try to get away from me, especially this one girl who was about to leave on a trip so this was her last week at church for a while, so at the end of the service she went around to everyone in thevroom and hugged and said goodbye to them. She did this with everyone except me. Why is that? Why would she just completely pass over me.. And when I walked out to say bye she just ignored me. I have asked in the past if I did or said anything to upset or offend her but she said no everything is fine. Then why does she just ignore and try to get away from me?



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09 Oct 2015, 12:42 pm

Hmm how very christlike of them..... :roll:

I don't know sounds very clickish, if you have the option I'd encourage you to stop going at least to that one....why spend time somewhere you feel ostracized, left out and disliked? Maybe its nothing you've done and they're just weird about 'newcomers' to their already established clique or depending on what kind of church maybe they think your beliefs don't quite fall in line with the churches. There could be a number of reasons.


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09 Oct 2015, 3:52 pm

Yes, it's hard to say what the reason is if we don't know you. Sometimes it's their problem though and not you. Some people just can't handle people who are different to them and that's quite sad really.

I don't know how old you are, but I had the same problem when I was younger. I've moved around a lot and now that I am in my 30s I've found a group of people that I get along with well and they are all quirky like me. I'm still not great at being friends the way other people are, I don't think I socialise well (I'm not really sure what I'm supposed to do that would help me connect with people better, I just know that I'm not doing it), but at least I've met people that actually like me.

Anyway, try not to let it get you down, she really isn't worth worrying about and she'll be gone soon anyway. Strangely enough the way that I've tried to make friends is to include people in things that I'm doing. Rather than feel upset that I'm being left out, turn it around and be the person who organises things and gets people together. Don't just try to be friends with the people your own age, include some older people and some teenagers too. Ok, so that's maybe not the conventional type friendships you are looking for, but you can still have fun.



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09 Oct 2015, 4:23 pm

jashley wrote:
People at my church seem to dislike, ignore and try to get away from me, especially this one girl who was about to leave on a trip so this was her last week at church for a while, so at the end of the service she went around to everyone in thevroom and hugged and said goodbye to them. She did this with everyone except me. Why is that? Why would she just completely pass over me.. And when I walked out to say bye she just ignored me. I have asked in the past if I did or said anything to upset or offend her but she said no everything is fine. Then why does she just ignore and try to get away from me?


I could probably render a better guess if I knew what kind of church.

But I agree with Sweetleaf, it's probably doctrinal differences. Christian churches vary wildly when it comes to certain key beliefs.

Like if you were a Catholic or Mormon you'd likely not be accepted in a stricter Baptist sect or a Bible-centric non denominational church. Those are extremes of course. Maybe you believe "once saved always saved" and your church does not. This is one of the most divisive topics.



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10 Oct 2015, 7:00 am

Sounds like problem is this girl. But other people should not like to see this sort of ostracizing. I hope at least one other good person at your church saw this and will help to correct if it is a problem with more people at the church.

I am sorry this sort of thing happens especially so in a place where you should not feel socially awkward or apart from others.

What she did is wrong.



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10 Oct 2015, 7:03 am

Some people are b*****s. It's not always a reflection of you when they are. That's hard to keep in mind, but very true.


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12 Oct 2015, 8:03 am

I doubt this is an issue of doctrinal differences. I think it is probably personal "differences", meaning that this girl or these people are uncomfortable around you and in order to deal with their discomfort they avoid you or ignore you.

I have done this myself with "very NT" people. Especially girls that were my age. I was annoyed by their ability to flirt, their carelessness, their confidence which seemed like snobbery to me, their selfishness, and their lack of deep thinking. I also felt inferior while at the same time feeling superior. I was disgusted by them while at the same time wishing I could be as free as they were, not to be just like them, but to be less trapped in myself, to be able to not be invisible or "boring". I sort of avoided them. Not to the extent these people seem to be doing to you but I was distant from them. I didn't understand them. I thought I did understand them. But I really didn't.

These people probably think they understand you. But they really don't. They have probably made judgements in their hearts about you based on their interpretation of the things you say and do. They are probably reading you as if you were NT and coming to false conclusions about your motives and intentions. Even if they know you are autistic, they probably don't know enough about the spectrum to be able to even begin to make more accurate guesses in interpreting your behavior. And I am sure you come across as quite a capable person (you can talk, maybe you drive, maybe you have a job, maybe you can make a good potluck meal, etc.) and that in turn can cause others to not understand how you can make the social mistakes you might be making.

We try to be polite but the things that make sense to us as being polite are actually seen by NTs as being the opposite, or as being presumptuous or impertinent.

A lot of the mistakes we might make come from a place of wanting truth to be known, to clarify things, to make things make sense, and to express verbally the things that don't show on us outwardly. For instance, one time I was friends with someone and had gotten together with her a couple times. Her mom threw her a birthday party I wasn't invited to and didn't even know about til a short while later (like a week or two or something later) when I was at her house and she and her mom talked about it. I don't remember exactly what I said or did. I am pretty sure her mom was offended because of the way she looked at me. I didn't know it was rude to ask why you weren't invited or to express disappointment at not having been invited. I was disappointed and hurt but I think I also had this idea that they thought I wasn't interested and I wanted to correct that: that I was interested. Her mom may have said she didn't know I'd want to come. I don't remember now. I also thought we were friends and that that meant I should have been invited and I thought her mom should have known we were friends since we had gone a few places together; I didn't say any of that of course. I think I also had trouble imagining that this girl had any other friends to invite to a party. I think in my mind it was just me and her because I knew the other people who were invited and from what I had seen they didn't seem to be particularly interested in her or they didn't seem to talk to each much when I was with her with them. They probably spent time together I knew nothing about. I don't think I understood levels of friendship very well back then either and how it affected social interaction.

Well, anyway, that sort of truth was irrelevant to them. Other people don't know this about truth telling and truth expressing; it's not something they think about. They don't have to think about these things as much because they aren't misunderstood as often, have better understanding of how others think, and have an easier, more natural ability to express themselves in a way that others can readily understand and that, here is the key, that others can react to. There is nothing more awkward for people (Aspie and NT alike) than to not know how to respond. And with a lot of NTs, they have those mirror neurons pretty strongly and that social reciprocity to where they can react instantly to someone else's emotions they see and when they don't get those neurons activated or see those emotions they expect to see or see smooth and fluid, standard body language, they are very confused because they interpret you using their own codex, meaning they read you as NT. I am like BAP or something and have experienced both sides of this.

Another time with this friend I was at her house and she was showing me her music stuff; she liked old 70s bands. She mentioned the names of the bands and I was trying to place them, figure out who they were (I wasn't much into music back then which was unusual for a girl my age: high school) and seeing vague images of the men in the band or vague images of the band's name thinking of the way it was spelled because I had seen or heard the name before, trying to place them in time, and also thinking how I was to respond, when she said, "Is there a problem with that?" I guess she read the thinking expression on my face and the delay in reaction as "dislike" or "that's not cool." I said, "No," in answer to her question. I can't remember if I said anything else or not. Looking back I probably should have explained myself but I didn't have those skills and didn't fully grasp that I was probably making a face she had misinterpreted. I was also taken aback at her reaction and a little confused or hurt. She was reading me as if I was like her or like other people, using the standard codex.

I wrote a lot. I hope this made sense though it probably didn't give you much in the way of practical advice.



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12 Oct 2015, 1:39 pm

Places of worship or snootier and cliquish towards people with autism and other types of special needs because they have not been trained or really have a background about what is going on. Rather than reaching out they appear to back away.

In my case people in settings like that often don't know how to approach me because

a. They don't know how to talk to me or really know what to say.
b. They're scared to approach me because they think that all I have is limited interests.


Those are two examples

Maybe she doesn't really understand what Asperger's really is about because

1. She hasn't researched it or studied it.
2. She doesn't have it herself.

Like some said above are there any people who do talk to you there? If so concentrate on them.