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05 Aug 2023, 6:00 pm

Used to have to avoid milk until I was healed in my mid 40's. Grew up on goats milk as we had goats and neighbours also kept goats, but evetually in my teens had sudden itchy rashes amplified with milk.
During this time I eventually.wanted alternatives, so I tried soya but was alarmed when soya glued up my water works! SO KEEP OFF SOYA AS IT IS CONCERNING TO NOT BE ABLE TO PEE WHEN ONE IS FULL AND NEEDS TO GO! SOYA WAS LIKE GLUE! Tried not having it and then tried it again and system glued up again!
Oat milk was fine and tasted nice as well, but was hard to get as demand was such it was rarely in stock.
Eventually got absolutley fed up and determined so I prayed to be healed and I was.



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05 Aug 2023, 6:54 pm

Pecan milk.... but would love to try hemp or Macadamia milk too. :D


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05 Aug 2023, 8:03 pm

Jakki wrote:
Pecan milk.... but would love to try hemp or Macadamia milk too. :D


Isn't it toucan milk? Not heard of it.



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05 Aug 2023, 8:11 pm

I like oat milk, soy milk, and this cows milk alternative called Next Milk. It is a blend of plant milks with vitamins, and isn't much more expensive than other plant milks. Sometimes the "whole" milk version is cheaper. I have a dairy allergy so I have drank a lot of different milk alternatives. lol



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10 Aug 2023, 11:23 am

Long-life unsweetened soya milk. Current source is only 50p per litre. It's got a few added vitamins and minerals to give it the same kind of profile as cow's milk, which is useful for vegan-leaning people such as myself. The best soya milk I can get in the USA is nothing but soya and water, but it tastes much the same.

I've not tried the other types much. I don't like sweetened or flavoured soya milk, and the kinds they keep refrigerated even before opening are too expensive for me to take seriously.

I used to have trouble with soya milk curdling in coffee, but I stopped drinking coffee anyway to stop my teeth staining so readily, so that's no longer a problem.



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10 Aug 2023, 12:03 pm

Soy milk is the least rancid one. It goes alright in a cup of tea.


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16 Nov 2023, 8:06 am

Turns out I was wrong and I'm not lactose intolerant after all. Ended up being a different issue. Still a useful thread though.


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21 Dec 2024, 5:01 am

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Turns out I was wrong and I'm not lactose intolerant after all. Ended up being a different issue. Still a useful thread though.


Nope. I was right the first time. It's a part of my IBS.


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21 Dec 2024, 7:11 am

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Turns out I'm lactose intolerant.


For about twenty years, I couldn't consume more than very small amounts of dairy products without taking Lactaid. I could eat maybe one small scoop of ice cream without having to make a quick run to the nearest bathroom.

I ran out of Lactaid once and didn't get around to going to another town to get more at the store for a couple of months. (My local town has one small grocery store and they don't seem to carry it.) So I started eating things carefully and soon came to realize that I didn't have the issue any more! Apparently, at some point in the twenty years, I ceased needing to take Lactaid with dairy products.

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The one thing I can't take at all is cheese and cheese products, but then I never could. Growing up, we didn't put cheese in our food at home. If you wanted cheese, you took a slice or two or three and put it on crackers. I saw people doing that and thought they were putting butter on crackers and so I would put butter on crackers. So I had never eaten anything with cheese in or on it until I was about 12 years old.

When i was 12 years old and a boy scout, we were on a campout at a lake in a nearby state. We had macaroni on the last night of the campout. After eating, I felt miserable and went to bed early. That night, the temperatures fell to about 30 degrees Fahrenheit. In the middle of the night, I vomited in my sleeping bag and made quite a mess. It was too cold to not be in a sleeping bag, so I slept in my vomit the rest of the night. The next morning, I felt much better, but it was too cold out to wash off.

Since then, I have avoided cheese. I have found that I can tolerate the very fresh cheeses in Indian food, but that's about it. I think that those cheeses are made by curdling milk with lemon juice and are not aged at all.

One evening in grad school, I was invited to dinner with a few other people at another couple of mathematician's home. From my first bite of the spaghetti, I knew something was wrong -- I couldn't taste it, but I could feel the effects. After the hostess assured me that she knew I was coming and so she checked carefully to make sure that there was no cheese in the spaghetti sauce, I made the mistake of eating more to be polite. All night long, I felt like I was going to vomit, but somehow I never did. The next morning, she called me up and apologized because she had read through the ingredients in the sauce again and saw that it did contain cheese. Nobody else at the dinner could tell that there was cheese in the sauce.

So other than very fresh Indian cheeses that were days old, I have only eaten cheese twice in my life and it made me sick both times. The first time at the age of 12 and the second at the age of 24 or so. I'm now older than 70 and haven't eaten cheeses in nearly 50 years.

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By the way, I once found (late 1970s) a list of five animals giving milk that is consumed by humans. These were cow, horse, yak, oxen, and goat (I grew up on goat's milk). Since then, I've come across more. I don't remember all of the rest, but sheep, camel, and reindeer are among them.



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21 Dec 2024, 7:44 am

^ It's interesting that you bring up cheese because I had Goat's cheese when I was staying in Spain and it was so much more digestible.

...I actually had less stomach issues on that holiday than I do normally and I felt healthier overall. My IBS didn't flare up once. The cloudy lemonade was the best I've ever had. Most meals used olive oil instead of butter.


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21 Dec 2024, 10:02 am

I detest soy, I'm not fond of any of the nut milks except coconut.
If you really want questionable non dairy substitutes...can nobody else remember whale blubber ice confection or am I a complete dinosaur?



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21 Dec 2024, 2:14 pm

Yup ,, very possible on the Dinosaur definition ....nope never heard of Whale blubber confection..? 8O


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21 Dec 2024, 2:28 pm

kokopelli wrote:
Lost_dragon wrote:
Turns out I'm lactose intolerant.


For about twenty years, I couldn't consume more than very small amounts of dairy products without taking Lactaid. I could eat maybe one small scoop of ice cream without having to make a quick run to the nearest bathroom.

I ran out of Lactaid once and didn't get around to going to another town to get more at the store for a couple of months. (My local town has one small grocery store and they don't seem to carry it.) So I started eating things carefully and soon came to realize that I didn't have the issue any more! Apparently, at some point in the twenty years, I ceased needing to take Lactaid with dairy products.

---

The one thing I can't take at all is cheese and cheese products, but then I never could. Growing up, we didn't put cheese in our food at home. If you wanted cheese, you took a slice or two or three and put it on crackers. I saw people doing that and thought they were putting butter on crackers and so I would put butter on crackers. So I had never eaten anything with cheese in or on it until I was about 12 years old.

When i was 12 years old and a boy scout, we were on a campout at a lake in a nearby state. We had macaroni on the last night of the campout. After eating, I felt miserable and went to bed early. That night, the temperatures fell to about 30 degrees Fahrenheit. In the middle of the night, I vomited in my sleeping bag and made quite a mess. It was too cold to not be in a sleeping bag, so I slept in my vomit the rest of the night. The next morning, I felt much better, but it was too cold out to wash off.

Since then, I have avoided cheese. I have found that I can tolerate the very fresh cheeses in Indian food, but that's about it. I think that those cheeses are made by curdling milk with lemon juice and are not aged at all.

One evening in grad school, I was invited to dinner with a few other people at another couple of mathematician's home. From my first bite of the spaghetti, I knew something was wrong -- I couldn't taste it, but I could feel the effects. After the hostess assured me that she knew I was coming and so she checked carefully to make sure that there was no cheese in the spaghetti sauce, I made the mistake of eating more to be polite. All night long, I felt like I was going to vomit, but somehow I never did. The next morning, she called me up and apologized because she had read through the ingredients in the sauce again and saw that it did contain cheese. Nobody else at the dinner could tell that there was cheese in the sauce.

So other than very fresh Indian cheeses that were days old, I have only eaten cheese twice in my life and it made me sick both times. The first time at the age of 12 and the second at the age of 24 or so. I'm now older than 70 and haven't eaten cheeses in nearly 50 years.

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By the way, I once found (late 1970s) a list of five animals giving milk that is consumed by humans. These were cow, horse, yak, oxen, and goat (I grew up on goat's milk). Since then, I've come across more. I don't remember all of the rest, but sheep, camel, and reindeer are among them.


I too was lactose intolerant at one point but gradual exposure to dairy caused me to become lactose tolerant. I do not know how it all works but apparently it has to do with gut microbes, the species living within our gut. Wonderful stuff.

It is weird to acknowledge but we are hotels for millions, maybe billions of life forms.

At any rate I just buy the regular junk now. All the alternatives are super-expensive. And I don't notice much difference to justify twice the price.


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21 Dec 2024, 2:40 pm

I can't do cowmilk, it makes me gag, plus I do have some issues with dairy to start with. Ben and Jerry's almond milk ice cream has been a good send, as I can have ice cream without getting a stomachache.